Tired of Auction House Deniers Advocaters

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Miská wrote:

I'm equally tired of players with barely any playing experience to come here and tell everyone else what the solution is. An AH is a joke. There have been plenty of reasons given why an AH wouldn't work in the way you want it.

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polimeris wrote:

You know, there are workarounds every kind of auction house abuse.
They have been used in real life in the past (and now), but to my knowledge never in a video game.

Let's take an AH (with a tax).
Now limit your number of item to sell to 10 per account at the same time.
Now account bind every item changing account for 1 week.
Now make the selling time 1 week without the ability to modify your initial price.

Abuse this.


In 2 weeks top, everyone will get how it works, price-manipulation is gone, volume of exchange skyrockets and prices go down.


NOW that being said, the relation ease-of-trade // good-loot-amount is a much more solid argument against an AH.

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polimeris wrote:

You know, there are workarounds every kind of auction house abuse.
They have been used in real life in the past (and now), but to my knowledge never in a video game.

Let's take an AH (with a tax).
Now limit your number of item to sell to 10 per account at the same time.
Now account bind every item changing account for 1 week.
Now make the selling time 1 week without the ability to modify your initial price.

Abuse this.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

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polimeris wrote:

You know, there are workarounds every kind of auction house abuse.
They have been used in real life in the past (and now), but to my knowledge never in a video game.

Let's take an AH (with a tax).
Now limit your number of item to sell to 10 per account at the same time.
Now account bind every item changing account for 1 week.
Now make the selling time 1 week without the ability to modify your initial price.

Abuse this.

Ok... I'll make 100 accounts and program bots to run them. They wont give a rat's ass about your week long turnarounds.

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Nubatron wrote:

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polimeris wrote:

You know, there are workarounds every kind of auction house abuse.
They have been used in real life in the past (and now), but to my knowledge never in a video game.

Let's take an AH (with a tax).
Now limit your number of item to sell to 10 per account at the same time.
Now account bind every item changing account for 1 week.
Now make the selling time 1 week without the ability to modify your initial price.

Abuse this.


In 2 weeks top, everyone will get how it works, price-manipulation is gone, volume of exchange skyrockets and prices go down.


NOW that being said, the relation ease-of-trade // good-loot-amount is a much more solid argument against an AH.

That would actually be pretty hard to abuse, but also leverages some very anti-trade mechanics like item binding (which is a bad word for some). I suspect the only players who would use the AH under these circumstances would be those that trade a few times per league. Everyone else who are more active would list things the old way and never touch the AH. Who knows.

It also would be awkward for currency or anything stackable. Usually when someone is trading up or down for currency, it is so they can buy something else. Clearly binding that currency for a week would be counterproductive. I mention stackable because I suspect anything stackable is coded in a manner where it is not meant to be unique in any way from other of the same class; for instance a binding attribute.

As for your final point about the value of items and the saturation of availability, that is one of GGGs primary points in their manifesto. The current situation is built to provide resistance on purpose.

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Funinyourgame wrote:

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Miská wrote:

I'm equally tired of players with barely any playing experience to come here and tell everyone else what the solution is. An AH is a joke. There have been plenty of reasons given why an AH wouldn't work in the way you want it.

You have yet to provide those reasons (Either via links or bullet points)
Care to share your points?

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polimeris wrote:

You know, there are workarounds every kind of auction house abuse.
They have been used in real life in the past (and now), but to my knowledge never in a video game.

Let's take an AH (with a tax).
Now limit your number of item to sell to 10 per account at the same time.
Now account bind every item changing account for 1 week.
Now make the selling time 1 week without the ability to modify your initial price.

Abuse this.


In 2 weeks top, everyone will get how it works, price-manipulation is gone, volume of exchange skyrockets and prices go down.


NOW that being said, the relation ease-of-trade // good-loot-amount is a much more solid argument against an AH.

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polimeris wrote:

True, this a system designed to protect the trade of item you use, at the cost of making the trade of item to trade... well, extremely tedious. And that does include currency.
Which IMO is a good thing for a game, but might be shocking for those who get some kicks from playing make-believe broker.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

heh... we've been having this discussion for about 6 years now.

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MarloStanfield wrote:

Prices would go down??? Dream on

There's only one way prices would go if you impose a draconian set of restrictions on usage and it ain't down.