Tired of Auction House Deniers Advocaters

worse than this you have a community that only seeks to destroy any sort of negative feedback regardless of how constructive can it be, freely abusing and spaming and call it a "free" discussing while it's straight up flaming others easily.

"it's not constructive, it's not a good counter argument because you're not supporting the idea of what GGG wants for the game, it's not constructive because I say so."

why having a forum anyway right?

sheeps follow other sheeps, I can only imagine reddit it would be worse than this.

funny and sad every single feedback post I've seen in this month I started to play this game there's the same names trying to prove how wrong they are and defending GGG for every single major flaw on their designs rather than actually try thinking for once and see the other side of the picture.

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Berzal wrote:

People think that tencent controll everything here,its not true. The reason why Tencent bought most part of the company -> that they could make and adapte PoE for Chinese market without GGG permission.(Like add AH or inventory increase and other stuff which we dont have - they have not to ask GGG about it right now).Chinese market is much bigger then EU/US.So the last word to add AH on EU/US pc version ->its GGG decision and they dont give a f*ck about it.

If Tencent just wanted a PoE version for their home market they could have made a licensing deal. Instead they bought 80% of GGG which on the face of it gives them the ability to dictate to GGG how things are going to be. What we don't know is if GGG has certain control conditions built into the agreement that gives them certain rights to the nonChinese or perhaps nonAsian markets game.


As for the AH topic, personally I don't have that much trouble with the current system but I'm not a very heavy user. A good first start would be to eliminate the need for the exchange in the hideouts and just just implement a popup buy/sell button for the listed price or some similar.

The current trade system is hot garbage.

It's full of abuse from fixers - finding items you want is a total nightmare.

I'd personally love an AH, but I'd just be happy at this point with anything that improves on what we have.

The fact we can't trade items without both being present in the same instance and using the trade option is so 1990. Just imagine if you could buy items from somes sale tab just by visiting their hideout...how much better would life be in general?

Life would be fine... the game would be worse.

Is a "denier advocater" someone who advocates deniers?

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Pegglea wrote:

The fact we can't trade items without both being present in the same instance and using the trade option is so 1990.

I agree. Because back then, people weren't entitled enough to demand access to everything - all the time. Now, as long as they have the "moniez" and a game has trade, all forms of limitations are "1990".

"I should be able to buy whatever I want, when I want it, as long as I can afford it".

I'm not against trade. I think this game needs trade. I think it's better with trade. But to debate from a "I want to buy and sell faster and easier"-perspective is wrong IMO. ALWAYS think "will the game as a whole be better in the long run?".

And here is where a lot of people miss the mark. "I don't feel that they'd have to lower drop rates even if trading was easier and instant". That's irrelevant. THEY feel they'd have to. THEY have a certain threshold in mind for how easy it should be to acquire gear. Easier trade WILL alter this threshold, and they'd have to adjust drop rates. Why do they have this threshold? Several reason, mainly difficulty and player retention. They want you to keep playing. They want you to have long term goals. Instant gratification = "I've done everything. I'm done".

You can agree with this. You can disagree with this. But we KNOW it. I've said it before: The easier and faster trade gets, the more required it becomes. And before we know it, we end up having to trade for everything. And that is a game I won't play. At all.

GGG's design goals for trade chat were based on old PoE before they decided to morph into PoE: Speed Racer (GGG chasing the huge racer/shooter player base and money). Back then with the slower pace of play and the less mountain of xp required to get to 100 we weren't in this stupid race, race, race or you're a bad player mode of thinking and taking time out to go to our hideout and sell was ok. Also GGG thought that one-on-one player interaction would make for better player community interaction. That was all good and well intentions in old PoE, but now that PoE is just mostly played for the couple week race to 100 every 13 weeks and not as a real arpg anymore then GGG's original design of trade chat is no longer valid. In GGG's quest for maximizing revenue they forgot why many players were supporting them in the beginning. Now GGG is no better than Blizzard in just coding PoE for whatever will get the maximum player base and nothing else matters (I'm sure Blizzard will get a larger player base on smart phone Diablo than pc D4 so that's why they're going that direction... but never me, I'm aging and need large screen and full size keyboard).

GGG has cast aside their founding principals and are just chasing the money now. So unless we can show GGG why/how an AH will bring in millions more players so Chris can do another GDC presentation showing other game devs. "If you design an auction house correctly it will increase your player base. Here's a graph of player numbers before and after we added an AH" nothing is going to change. Unless we can show and convince GGG how an AH will do that then we can talk "PoE needs an AH" until we grow old and die and GGG will never change trading. It's as simple as that (but difficult to show how an AH would increase the player base since Blizzard spectacularly failed with their AH).

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

An automated marketplace, however, induces similar symptoms as an auction house, where the supplier can corner the market. This is why, should we ever get an automated marketplace-like system, there should be a limit to how many items you can have up for trade at once -- excluding currency and maps or any other similar items.

I hate myself for coming back into another AH thread, but wanted to respond to this particular idea that keeps getting thrown out. This doesn't do anything to those that look to manipulate the market when all accounts are free. All this really does is penalize that normal player who might have 1-2 accounts. Someone who bots and manipulates the markets likely has more accounts than any normal person would consider even slightly reasonable -- and they lose nothing when they lose one of those accounts because it takes minutes to create another.

Hell, I have six accounts from back in the day when Dominus runs made sense (party IIQ/IIR) w/ a MF culling account. So I wouldn't have to do anything to be able to post 6x as much as the average player.....and I'm pretty average myself. What do you think someone who actively seeks to manipulate the market would do?

We all play the game differently. Some trade. Some don't. Some even only trade once or twice a league.

They can't make a change to the game that ruins it for someone without concerns as to how it would effect their income stream. Adding "easy trade" would ruin it for some. Are those players significant? Do they buy stuff? Do they promote the game or detract from it?

Don't know.

GGG does, or at least think that they do.

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Arrowneous wrote:

(GGG chasing the huge racer/shooter player base and money). Back then with the slower pace of play and the less mountain of xp required to get to 100 we weren't in this stupid race, race, race or you're a bad player mode of thinking and taking time out to go to our hideout and sell was ok.

Just stop it.

If we go back, it was WAY harder to reach 100 than now. "Less mountain"? The XP mountain was WAY higher before, freakin Mount Everest. It has never been easier to reach 100 than the last three leagues.

And speed racer? I don't like timed mechanics more than the next guy, but please. In Betrayal? No timed mechanics. But this league? Yes, we have decaying zones. Next league? We don't know. Beside that, going fast is a choice. Don't judge the game based on the latest league mechanics. They have always experimented, and will always do so.

You seem so damn bitter that the game has elvolved into something you personally do not like, that your posts lately are just... Bitter whining, with little to no hold on reality. Get a grip, please. Chris' GDC talk was a solid example of how business works. EVERY company these days, "reduces" their costumers/consumers into numbers. If this is news to you, I'm sorry. But we are just that: Numbers. Now show them a 0 by stop playing.