Tired of Auction House Deniers Advocaters

I've been playing casually on and off for years, started back in Ambush and came back in early 2018. Recently, I've made 680c in 4 hours sitting in my h/o just by trading, without playing the game, this came to me as an absurdity of a way to play the game. And this is why more or less that auction house should be implemented.

I'm really tired of people that are against ANY type of implementation of an auction house. Multiple arguments that are thematic across all discussions are along the lines of price manipulation. Even when a better suggestion of said implementation were provided, they would use a common tactic such as changing the topic to a completely unrelated to the issues at hand.

It's like they're trying so hard to prevent an actual intuitive interaction being in place of the current, rusty system of trading. More than just a motive, one would say they're trying to push an agenda of sorts *tin-foil hat ON*, while lacking any knowledge regarding simple economic concepts yet thinking they're hot-shi*.

The current trading system. Don't even trying to deny that it is un-intuitive. At this point if you deny this fact, you're doing a big dishonesty to the community and yourself. Currency trading is one of the most annoying, bloated trade section ever. It is frustrating and affects all players. Item trading is either hit or miss.

So what do deniers have to gain or lose by pushing their agenda?
To prevent higher accessibility of trading to players that are unaware of trade sites.
a) This means new players/uninformed players have to rely on crazy prices on in-game trade chat
b) Higher influx of currency and items, means higher capital to manipulate prices. (Harder)
c) Higher availability of crafting materials, means good items do not cost as much. This should be the way crafting should be, not for the "1%".
d) Currency traders/bots will have less margin of profit as difficulty of trading decreases. (Proficient traders/bots can earn at least several exalts a day in the current trading system without playing the game at all, they'd be more or less obsolete if auction house are to be implemented)
e) RMT economy would also be damaged

They would always go down the SAME dialogue tree like some kind of NPC:

"Look at D3 with their auction house LOL"
"Uhh I would rather play Recettear than setting up an item shop xDDD"
"Nah bots would manipulate the price so hard lmao, i'm fine with the current system."
"Nah it just obstructs me from playing the actual game, nobody got time for another minigame lmfao"

And the dialogue tree goes on. If you really want to protect the game's longevity, auction house is one of them.

Let's assume a near-perfect auction house is implemented:

It is not a mini-game, you certainly would not be limited to trading just to make money.

It is not an idealistic, utopia concept, there are trillions of positive constructive ideas over the same dialogue tree that the deniers have.

It doesn't obstruct you from playing the game, you certainly would spend less time than you currently would have.

Bots couldn't manipulate the prices, in fact they would be obsolete.

It is a necessity.

Don't get upset over the potential loss of profit you're gonna have. Don't get upset over your money spent over your premium stash tabs. Don't get paranoid that the economy is going to be like D3. Don't get paranoid that you will be playing another game other than PoE. Rejoice that everyone is taking part of the intuitive trading experience for years to come.

Tired of streamers like Zizaran advocating against the idea of auction house(dishonest of any facts regarding macroeconomics and the same D3 paranoia), tired of these propagandas trying to prevent AH being implemented, also tired of the lack of change to the trading system.

If you're one of them, I think its time to wake up and make up an opinion of your own. Because there are 99% of positive constructive ideas were already provided by the community, but to be held back by the 1% negatives.

In before Shagsbeard, Phrazz or the usual suspects doing their gaslighting of any topic that suggests improving trade.

"It will reduce prices and flood the economy" Said items are currently rotting on the ground, how is flooding the market worse than not being used?

"Price will raise/crash" People will pay for the best items, if more top 5% items are available then the price for the top 20% will decrease. Overall power will increase marginally if at all, but significantly less than in loot blowout leagues like incursion.

"But the devs said so" Devs are not omnipotent or without flaws.

"It will never change" You neither know nor control this, nor does GGG. Tencent does. Tencent, players like me will pay $15 a month ongoing if you make a good AH. Its my number one issue with the game because nothing is worse than messaging 50 people for a map.

"If you overpay, trade is fine" No, even then, many posters have no need of currency so they wont stop maps or other activities to trade, so you are still stuck messaging dozens of people.

Look at who profit from AH is not available and you'll have your answer. Those who advocate - are using it.

Let me ask you this:
Why do you think a company that took 1 month to implement essence and fossil crafting can implement a working, AH, free of bugs and exploits.

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trixxar wrote:

In before Shagsbeard, Phrazz or the usual suspects doing their gaslighting of any topic that suggests improving trade.

Don't namedrop me without context, dear Sir. I have always said that this game needs a better trade system. I've repeated the same sentence over and over again: "No sane person will call the current system 'good'".

Just because you're unable/unwilling to have some sort of objective insight into this debate, doesn't give you the right to put words in my mouth.

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DasName wrote:

Let me ask you this:
Why do you think a company that took 1 month to implement essence and fossil crafting can implement a working, AH, free of bugs and exploits.

That doesn't mean we should outright deny the idea or the concept of AH. Not to mention the recent leagues' mechanics such as delve and synthesis require in-depth computer science knowledge(Programmers literally have to know their shi* to do what they do in synthesis and delve), not saying AH is an easy task. But if it's not planned for the future, it should really be, no matter the time it takes to perfect it.

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DarkJen wrote:

Look at who profit from AH is not available and you'll have your answer. Those who advocate - are using it.

This is sort of true, to the extent that the absurd claims "1% of the riches controls the game" seems not too far off of reality. Unfortunately they've been advocating against it as early as I remember.

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trixxar wrote:

In before Shagsbeard, Phrazz or the usual suspects doing their gaslighting of any topic that suggests improving trade.

"It will reduce prices and flood the economy" Said items are currently rotting on the ground, how is flooding the market worse than not being used?

"Price will raise/crash" People will pay for the best items, if more top 5% items are available then the price for the top 20% will decrease. Overall power will increase marginally if at all, but significantly less than in loot blowout leagues like incursion.

"But the devs said so" Devs are not omnipotent or without flaws.

"It will never change" You neither know nor control this, nor does GGG. Tencent does. Tencent, players like me will pay $15 a month ongoing if you make a good AH. Its my number one issue with the game because nothing is worse than messaging 50 people for a map.

"If you overpay, trade is fine" No, even then, many posters have no need of currency so they wont stop maps or other activities to trade, so you are still stuck messaging dozens of people.

Unfortunately the manipulation are far worse on platforms like reddit where constructive ideas are buried on a daily basis by the voting system, hence I posted it here as it seems that there are less incentives to do it here.

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trixxar wrote:

"It will never change" You neither know nor control this, nor does GGG. Tencent does. Tencent, players like me will pay $15 a month ongoing if you make a good AH. Its my number one issue with the game because nothing is worse than messaging 50 people for a map.

People think that tencent controll everything here,its not true. The reason why Tencent bought most part of the company -> that they could make and adapte PoE for Chinese market without GGG permission.(Like add AH or inventory increase and other stuff which we dont have - they have not to ask GGG about it right now).Chinese market is much bigger then EU/US.So the last word to add AH on EU/US pc version ->its GGG decision and they dont give a f*ck about it.

Im also hate current trade system ,because when league coming to be dead-trade is also dead. (cant normally exchange currency into chaos even spending a hours to whispering people etc).
Yeah.ah have to be add because trading became one the reason why people stop playing.

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Berzal wrote:

Im also hate current trade system ,because when league coming to be dead-trade is also dead. (cant normally exchange currency into chaos even spending a hours to whispering people etc).
Yeah.ah have to be add because trading became one the reason why people stop playing.

This is one of the reason I've decided to quit this league. Keep in mind that this league is the only league that I haven't quit after 2-3 weeks. I could almost say that trading becomes more stale as league goes on. The cause and effect all lies in the lack of a robust trading system. Certainly an AH could aim to solve two issues with one stone.

the problem with most of the items being useless is a design failure from the dev's here.. if 99.8% of the uniques are worthless and most of the good ones are very low drop rate or from the uber elder or shaper then it's a big miss.

builds are reflected on this.. (controled by streamers yet again) because uniques can't be crafted with ridiculous mods (corruption doesnt count here) crafting SEEMS to be superior than most of the uniques out there.

if most of the items in this game that are "unique" turns out to be unique trash the AH wouldnt help here.

I currently check prices and buy certain items which uniques arent in the list for me.. each case is personal due to their build but aside from certain specific rares from end content or very lucky drops I don't bother anymore.

I do however think some sort of offline trade should still happen at least for those buying microtransactions.. (yeah even as I'm kinda strongly against giving more QoL changes to donators it's kinda obvious that GGG would create such service for certain people only)


Edit: People not putting prices on their items only makes me ignore their items and move to people who actually puts a price on it.. I'm not there to make you feel powerful and have control over a cyber situation because you own a pixxel that I want.. put the item with a price if you want but from me I just will ignore it and move to the next one.. I want to get the transaction quickly done so I can go back to whatever I was doing. So much for the "player interaction" huh?

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Xystre wrote:

the problem with most of the items being useless is a design failure from the dev's here.. if 99.8% of the uniques are worthless and most of the good ones are very low drop rate or from the uber elder or shaper then it's a big miss.

builds are reflected on this.. (controled by streamers yet again) because uniques can't be crafted with ridiculous mods (corruption doesnt count here) crafting SEEMS to be superior than most of the uniques out there.

if most of the items in this game that are "unique" turns out to be unique trash the AH wouldnt help here.

I currently check prices and buy certain items which uniques arent in the list for me.. each case is personal due to their build but aside from certain specific rares from end content or very lucky drops I don't bother anymore.

I do however think some sort of offline trade should still happen at least for those buying microtransactions.. (yeah even as I'm kinda strongly against giving more QoL changes to donators it's kinda obvious that GGG would create such service for certain people only)

Certainly most uniques are trash, that I do not disagree. But that also give rise to new builds being oriented towards using these trash uniques such as The Dancing Duo(? Dervish?), Kaom's Root... etc. So I'd say there are definitely some balances towards optimizing builds around a unique even when they're trash. Moreover, there are times that buying trash uniques are not worth the time, there are very few people that wouldn't be bothered by a 1 alt to 1 alc trade. But the amount of people you have to go through before certainly doesn't help the situation at all, and I certainly do think AH would solve this issue which stands contrary to your point.

But yes, PoE aims to be a complex game with diverse system, yet only few so many builds that are "meta" can cake-walk the contents every league.