Played D3:RoS since release till now, heres the results!

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I just played Super Mario Bros, here's the results!

SMB offers linear progression not "gated by RNG", but by difficulty and skill.
Loot is predictable, hitting a certain block yields a mushroom, another a fire flower, instead of grinding out blocks for hours and hours trying to get a fucking fire flower, then being forced into TRADING all the mushrooms I found to get a fire flower.
No desync!
Boss fights that are strictly mechanical
If I die to a gearcheck, it was my fault. (didn't get big/jump in time etc.)

Overall I think PoE could learn a lot from platform games, because without RNG (which is the devil), this is what PoE becomes.

LeoL

Very nice sir.

quick question, can it not be an arpg and a platform game side by side? Drawing a bigger and happier community to the game? (as to use your example of it becoming a platform game that is)

As in fact the "Action" in this tittle is severely diminished by performance issue and network coding.
(as well as inherent game mechanics and balancing around them, resistances for example, instead of fixing there core mechanic)

So you try and argue against my points by being insulting, saying everything is 'bullshit' and using straw man arguments? Didn't expect anything different from anybody on these forums to be honest.

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Xdevore wrote:

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xSyK0TiC wrote:

Hey!




The only thing D3 has over PoE, is a smooth gameplay experience, except when you open your inventory, or a friend logs on, or a clan mate identifies 10+ legendaries in chat, or you are fighting on the Bridge of Korsikk. But other than that, smooth. Not really any noticeable desync or rubberbanding, and fast and satisfying skills.

but everyone says D3 desyncs as well POE isnt the only game is it that has such terrible net code and desync issues...other games like d3 desync just as bad...right?

http://youtu.be/-liyV9KrfdQ

I'm not saying D3 has terrible desync like this all the time, but it's definitely not always perfect as some people may claim...

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Peenk wrote:

So you try and argue against my points by being insulting, saying everything is 'bullshit' and using straw man arguments? Didn't expect anything different from anybody on these forums to be honest.

Nice, rather than defending a single one of your points you try to throw a blanket statement over me.

Do you even know what straw man means? Or are you just throwing it out there assuming it will make you sound right to people who don't?

Most of your points are not just wrong, but actually the complete opposite of reality. You claim there are less builds and choices than some unspecified time in the past when there are more than ever. You claim that GGG is trying to remove itself from the community which is completely baseless.

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Peenk wrote:

So you try and argue against my points by being insulting, saying everything is 'bullshit' and using straw man arguments? Didn't expect anything different from anybody on these forums to be honest.

I don't think 'strawman argument' means what you think it means. He is directly rebutting your 'facts' with those of his own. He isn't constructing a new topic vs. your points to then tear them down. We are on the same topic, and he is calling out your 'bullshit' for what it is... bullshit.

The facts remain clear. GGG is a small company. But has grown in many ways that don't involve numbers. They honestly care about their game, and very seemingly the community that supports them regardless of monetary donations.

Path of Exile is a gamers game. And by that I mean, the ideas that originate from the people making the game, go unfiltered through a publisher, such as Blizzard through Activision. What GGG envisions, they implement, and in turn we experience their vision.

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http://youtu.be/-liyV9KrfdQ

I'm not saying D3 has terrible desync like this all the time, but it's definitely not always perfect as some people may claim...

Yes but keep in mind, every class in D3 is fast paced and doesn't experience desync on the level that fast pace builds in PoE do.

With all of this being said, I am obviously a fan of GGG, and will call out those who can not use perspective in assessing the situation. GGG is small, yet is capable of a more personal and constructive interaction with its audience leaps and bounds above that of Blizzard. The only thing Blizzard does better is advertising its products to make sales. They are good at creating hype over their products. And that really is about it. Starcraft 1 and 2 are amazing, and I believe WoW is still good in its own way, even though it is extremely casual compared to what it once was. But with Diablo 3, it is just atrocious. Must I remind you of the constant amazing feedback that the community has given the team, and yet nothing of the sort is ever implemented.

Already done with RoS too. I have even more difficulty to understand how some people said on these forums that D3 has a better itemization than PoE. D3's itemization is even worse in RoS than it used to be. And I'm not speaking about drop rates, I'm speaking about itemization.

I guess if GGG white knights call your points bullshit it must be true, though not when it's the other way around right? And yes Sykotic, they are straw man arguments.. I mention ilevel 80 crown of thorns, he assumes I want gg gear from every mob.. Perhaps you should get your definitions correct before trying to insult me :)

And GGG being small is not a valid excuse for the issues I have with the game.
And not once did I say any of the POINTS I made were facts, you asked for what I thought and I posted. You guys are all the same, picking certain things to debate whilst totally dismissing others. It's well known that the majority of your forum users are incapable of seeing anything negative from this game.

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Splift wrote:

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Peenk wrote:

So you try and argue against my points by being insulting, saying everything is 'bullshit' and using straw man arguments? Didn't expect anything different from anybody on these forums to be honest.

Nice, rather than defending a single one of your points you try to throw a blanket statement over me.

Do you even know what straw man means? Or are you just throwing it out there assuming it will make you sound right to people who don't?

Most of your points are not just wrong, but actually the complete opposite of reality. You claim there are less builds and choices than some unspecified time in the past when there are more than ever. You claim that GGG is trying to remove itself from the community which is completely baseless.

I don't need to defend anything to someone such as your self who can't post a single reply without throwing insults. And please, I know exactly what it means.. Seems as though you don't o.O. I said useless low level unique items drop from the hardest content, you turn that into me wanting the best drops from every mob..


A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_argument

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Peenk wrote:

I guess if GGG white knights call your points bullshit it must be true, though not when it's the other way around right? And yes Sykotic, they are straw man arguments.. I mention ilevel 80 crown of thorns, he assumes I want gg gear from every mob.. Perhaps you should get your definitions correct before trying to insult me :)

And GGG being small is not a valid excuse for the issues I have with the game.
And not once did I say any of the POINTS I made were facts, you asked for what I thought and I posted. You guys are all the same, picking certain things to debate whilst totally dismissing others. It's well known that the majority of your forum users are incapable of seeing anything negative from this game.

I am not trying to insult anyone. Debating/arguing sure, insulting no. This is the internet, I am not out to break people down, but if I see a baseless rebuttal I will call it out as such. But that is really difficult since those are your opinions. But just because those are your opinions, does not mean that outside of your thought process you are perceived as correct in the reality of the argument.

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And GGG being small is not a valid excuse for the issues I have with the game.

You are correct. It may not be an excuse. Do they or anyone else totally accept issues that need attention? No. We all want desync fixed, we all want perfection for this game, or anything we want to see succeed. So with that being said, excuses are not being made by those who know how to think. Just reasons. The reason things that you and I may have issues with is because they are small, and are doing their best to not only communicate with us, but to keep things fresh, and introduce new things within the new leagues, new acts, race seasons, new skills, and new mtx, etc. Think about the size of their core development team, and then put that in perspective to the amount of customer service and support we all get. I am tired of this 'white knight' bullshit. I have had my fair share of rants on these forums about things that need to be kept in the spot light such as desync and balance tweaking on skills that rarely if ever get any love. Or about the overly harsh rng that layers everything in this game. But I just heard about a revision of sorts to the socketing system as far as crafting goes that is in the works, and who knows if it will stop there.

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mrpetrov wrote:

I've been playing D3:RoS for a bit. I'm enjoying it, and I think there remains a lot that PoE and D3 can learn from one another.

A few observations on areas that I think D3 does well (there are many areas PoE does better):
- D3 gameplay is fluid, dynamic and interesting. You can't facetank as easily as in PoE at the same relatively high levels. You need to keep moving to survive.
- D3 has far fewer one shot mechanics than PoE
- D3's new bind on account loot mechanism has put an enormous dent into the RMT scourge and also promoted friendly teaming between new players. I have lost count of the number of times people have shared good items during a map session (you can only trade an item with the people you were grouped with when you found the item, and even then for 2 hours of game time only)

P.

The loss of character control in diablo 3 is pretty bad, it feels like some of the mechanics were made to replicate desync and rubber banding.

Vortex + walls create situations where you almost must absolutely face tank or you must grab a skill like teleport, there is no 'i will just avoid the damage'. Mix in a mechanic like poison pools or w/e and your character gets yanked in, trapped, and one shot, meaning you must choose an immunity or teleport skill.

One shot mechanics = mallet lords. There are several common mobs that can one shot you from off screen in d3, especially if you are pushing the limits of your gear.

There is way more cheesy mechanics in d3, I definitely think PoE has the more tactile feeling mechanics. There is also still hiccups in D3 net code when entering and exiting ground effects, which cause legitimate rubber banding, sometimes several screens worth of rubber banding.

and bind on account arpg is just about the stupidest thing i have ever heard of.