Appeal to GGG – Mana leech

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Juggla1570 wrote:

Stop relying on the overpowered things that everyone uses and when they get nerfed you wont even notice ;)

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Fruz wrote:

If you decide to go for an expensive combination, you gotta "pay" for it.
Why should physical attackers have such a big advantage on other builds ???



Resources management should be a choice, and not just something that someone ignores easily because of mind drinker.

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unkempt wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

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unkempt wrote:

There aren't enough mana regen nodes in the tree and the 8% mana increased nodes barely even make a difference unless you're running EB. The witch area should really have way more mana options than it currently has. I've tried to make a ton of casters and they all end up with mana issues even though I'm taking every mana regen node within reach.

you dont take mana regen.

you take [flat mana], [mana regen], [mana %] and [reduced mana cost]. with +mana from intelligence these all multiply for a serious mana backing

focusing only on one of these 4 will net you far worse results

no shit

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AnotherJuan wrote:

I love this game. I would have its babies, like Arnie in Junior, if it were possible for a man to give birth to the spawn of a computer game.

I think it’s kind of unfair that it’s hard to talk about POE without referencing Diablo II, especially since (heresy alert!) POE eclipses that seminal game in just about every single way (except cut scenes, but I’ll forgive you for that). However, please forgive me as I’m forced to recall one area in which I find myself craving that old dinosaur once again. Offline play. Or more specifically (stay with me) constancy.

You made the best ARPG money can buy, and then gave it away for free and it still took me over a year to relent and play it because of the always online component. I hate online. I hate it because it means I can’t play when the internet goes wrong, I hate lag, and I hate it more because, unlike Diablo II, where my characters are still sat on a USB stick at level 80, ready to go whenever I want them, my character is sat on your server at your mercy. And that, clearly, is paranoia on my account.

Except that now my character is dead, following the mana-leech nerf. He’s unplayable. He is, as far as I can tell, unrecoverable. I could roll 2 more characters to try and find enough fusings to get 5 links and use blood magic, (after all, two characters to merciless have so far failed to achieve this) but why would I? I put a billion hours into my main already, and he’s worthless now. Why invest a billion more? And I bought stuff for a game that no longer wants to play with me. I can’t stick with a game that doesn’t want to stick with me.

Anyway, this isn’t an ultimatum. My account is worth very little to you. And I love you guys. I’m grateful that you made the world’s best ARPG, I’m grateful that you listened to the world’s likeminded fans and said “the world needs a gritty ARPG, with real choices and real builds and real freedom” and then actually made the damn thing. But a lot of people think like me (well, not exactly, but close enough). What, 3% of your user base use the forums? I was in the 97% until this patch. 97% aren’t even social enough to use the forums. 97% basically just want to play. And that’s fine, that was me, and I was super-happy. But that percentage, along, I’m sure, with many of the good posters here, are not going to react well if the characters they’ve poured their hearts and souls into are rendered useless with – what was it – about 5 days warning on the patch notes? If they read ‘em. Somewhere in the small print. This online thing is still a battleground for players hearts and minds. Giving the game away was a howitzer. Making it the best damn ARPG in the world was a WMD. But making us care about our builds means it only cuts deeper when you cull them like this.

So please, please, from the bottom of my hearts, revert the leech changes. And give me my favourite game back. Thanks for reading.

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AnotherJuan wrote:

The cost is that you have to run right up to "get killed in the face" range. The cost is pouring points into health, armour etc to stay alive. The cost is fairly specific specialisation, whereas casters can use a reasonable breadth of skills. The cost is that you WILL still get destroyed, so you need to invest in viable life regen. The cost in going for very high attack speed, single handed, is that you'll only have one 5+ socketable item. The other cost is that the law of diminishing returns means you wont do as much DPS as you would going for attack speed and damage in equal measure. The other cost is that you obviously USE mana at a much higher rate if you attack faster, so already needed a few nodes in mana/regen. The cost is that mind drinker is on the other side of the board from marauders and duelists, so our mana leech is on items, meaning less choice on items (so I've had to take a number of resist nodes to make up for gaps). The cost is that you take so much damage that any energy shield you happen to pick up is useless. Etc. So I have no idea what you think we were getting for free. It was never free or easy, but it used to be fun.

PS as has been mentioned, it really makes sense for magic users to invest in mana, and it really doesn't make sense for face-smashers to have to build their trees around it.

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Fruz wrote:

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AnotherJuan wrote:

The cost is that you have to run right up to "get killed in the face" range. The cost is pouring points into health, armour etc to stay alive. The cost is fairly specific specialisation, whereas casters can use a reasonable breadth of skills. The cost is that you WILL still get destroyed, so you need to invest in viable life regen. The cost in going for very high attack speed, single handed, is that you'll only have one 5+ socketable item. The other cost is that the law of diminishing returns means you wont do as much DPS as you would going for attack speed and damage in equal measure. The other cost is that you obviously USE mana at a much higher rate if you attack faster, so already needed a few nodes in mana/regen. The cost is that mind drinker is on the other side of the board from marauders and duelists, so our mana leech is on items, meaning less choice on items (so I've had to take a number of resist nodes to make up for gaps). The cost is that you take so much damage that any energy shield you happen to pick up is useless. Etc. So I have no idea what you think we were getting for free. It was never free or easy, but it used to be fun.

PS as has been mentioned, it really makes sense for magic users to invest in mana, and it really doesn't make sense for face-smashers to have to build their trees around it.

- "get killed in the face", "staying liave" ? completely out of topic, physical bow users are basically in the same boat, they have most liekely even more expensive skills partly because they are range characters, so they have it even harder.

- you don't necessarily need to go for heavy life regen, not at all, it's just one mechanism.

- This thread is about mana leech, not life leech ( even though I'd say that I like the fact that east-leech is much less what people are gonna go for now ).

- when you go very high attack speed, you change the synergy of the character ( = LGoH ), you should probably use the bloog magic gem though which is nothing new.

- What you are talking about is not the cost of the skills actually

- Energy shield is useless ? That is just plain wrong lol




Mana leech was allowing most physical attackers to completely avoid resources management, I could easily do no-regen maps without my melee just with mind drinker ... and 2*8%inc mana from the three, no mana from the gear almost.
Now, with those nodes, my dps allows me to keep up quite easily in normal maps still, I have a potion to use just in case anyway, but the leech itself won't be enough to easily to half-regen / no-regen maps anymore.

This was a huge gap between casters and melee attackers, now it's much lower and that's a good thing.