Appeal to GGG – Mana leech

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The correct response is to buff Reave specifically, not to reverse the leech changes.

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raics wrote:

Attack speed increases are irrelevant but weapon speed isn't, with a weapon doing 50 damage and three attacks per second you did same damage and leeched the same amount as a 150 damage weapon that hits only once but you spent three times as much mana.

Um, no. Assuming single-target, the 50 damage at 3 APS currently leeches the same amount as the 150 damage at 1 APS. Weapon speed is also irrelevant.

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KenshiD wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

i havent seen anyone with balanced tree to post here that he has issues.

what i suspect is: passive trees with zero mana investment + mind drinker + 8aps + 80 unreserved mana with their primary attack costing 70.

greed

and you are wrong: top characters as is 'top dmg characters' DO worry about these changes because most of these top builds had absurd attack speed. and the very builds affected are these with absurd attack speeds

Tree

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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBBH4EsQUtBbUM8hLhFfAY2xmKGo8a2xutIWAi6iP2JJ0l3yyFMHw4ljpYOrM94j7PQKBHfkjuSn1MYE2SUUdTNVPfVvpY21oaWkhbr2BLYSFiWmVNZ6BtbG5pdO108Xiueu99dX8rhNmE74cZh3aNfY2_lWaZK5uDm7WeuaXLqn-quKvFrK-xs7VItxe3072Bvea-p8APxLjN6tJN037V-NaK18vdDejW6xTtQe4O7_D22vlj-wn8xf66

I can't sustain my Doublestrike anymore (with slitherpinch manaleech) 4Linked (one of it is BLIND which has 0% mana increase).

Yeah sure I could grab the mana nodes next to me there, but that would be 3 more points (and I have only 3k life now because they changed life wheel)

It just means now I need to become even higher level to do the same that I did before and my fucking character wasn't even that strong. He was doing less than 4k doublestrike splash damage.

Wow such balance, much change.

Fuck this. I just want a simple melee character to be viable without requiring BoR and Soul Taker. Just simple melee, without OP gear.

Oh and here is my gear (with mana on it!):

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raics wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The correct response is to buff Reave specifically, not to reverse the leech changes.

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raics wrote:

Attack speed increases are irrelevant but weapon speed isn't, with a weapon doing 50 damage and three attacks per second you did same damage and leeched the same amount as a 150 damage weapon that hits only once but you spent three times as much mana.

Um, no. Assuming single-target, the 50 damage at 3 APS currently leeches the same amount as the 150 damage at 1 APS. Weapon speed is also irrelevant.

Goddamn man, when did you stop reading posts? :/

You leech the same - yes, but you spend more. If you use the same weapon and increase attack speed you spend more mana, but your dps gos up just as much so you leech more. However, if you switch out that weapon for the one with twice the APS but half the damage you leech the same, but you dish out twice as much attacks to do it and spend more relative to leeched amount.

You have a weapon that does 1 APS, you do 100 damage per hit and leech 10% of it as mana, your skill costs 10 mana to use.

On vanilla you hit once per second, spend 10 mana, gain 10 mana back. Your mana balance per second is zero.

If you increase your atack speed by 100 with passives and using same weapon you attack twice per second, spend 20 mana and leech 20 mana back, 10 per hit. Zero again.

However, if you now switch your weapon for the one that has 2 APS, and does 50 damage per hit, you have the same dps doing 4 hits at 50 damage, you leech 20 mana back, the same amount as before, but you spend 40 mana doing those 4 attacks. Now you're 20 in the minus.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The correct response is to buff Reave specifically, not to reverse the leech changes.

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sidtherat wrote:

crap build

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tikitaki wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

crap build

15 life nodes and 8 mana nodes.

Surely a recipe for success. lol.

My 41 invasion Scion has more life nodes than your character. I'm guessing your character exists on Standard league?

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sidtherat wrote:

tooltip reave dps ~7500 with multistrike (0.13attack time)

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tmaciak wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

tooltip reave dps ~7500 with multistrike (0.13attack time)

No point in taking Weathered Hunter, better to take Finesse, then you can ditch this +15% to fire res and take Primal Spirit and use Purity. And who use Haste on phys dmg build? Go Hatred you will have much more _non paper_ DPS and possibility to chill/freeze monster.

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sidtherat wrote:

btw - even with both finese and weathered hunter ive got only ~85% cth so im not ready to ditch it