Why GGG_Neon promote the PERMA freeze mobs and bosses?

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Sinnesteuer wrote:
Three players in a party, each with level 1 Decoy Totem, encounter a boss:

All three drop their decoy and create a triangle around the boss.

Due to constant barrage of Taunt from three directions boss cannot determine a target for long enough to initiate an attack. Totem may need to be recast in the event boss does get one attack through.

AI is AI, and all AI reacts to Taunt in exactly the same way.

Understand mechanics and you can trivialize content, just like the FM+EP+CP+ACD crew has.

Unless the original argument was that FM+EP is broken for solo play, which, even after all these pages, I am pretty sure it was not.

Group play is the single strongest trivializing force in the game. By the logic of the posts that want to nerf FM+EP we need to also nerf group play.

Nerf town portals and kiting as well, along with run speed, LoS objects, and slow scouting of potentially dangerous areas.



You're so pushing it. This decoy totem shit isn't even close to be as strong as FM. You act like none of the bosses do any ranged damage and they will all slowly move from one totem to another without ever damaging them. Not to mention it requires 3 players. Yeah totally just as strong as freeze mine :rolleyes:


Nice try but... nope.
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Sinnesteuer wrote:
Three players in a party, each with level 1 Decoy Totem, encounter a boss:

All three drop their decoy and create a triangle around the boss.

Due to constant barrage of Taunt from three directions boss cannot determine a target for long enough to initiate an attack. Totem may need to be recast in the event boss does get one attack through.

AI is AI, and all AI reacts to Taunt in exactly the same way.

Understand mechanics and you can trivialize content, just like the FM+EP+CP+ACD crew has.

Unless the original argument was that FM+EP is broken for solo play, which, even after all these pages, I am pretty sure it was not.

Group play is the single strongest trivializing force in the game. By the logic of the posts that want to nerf FM+EP we need to also nerf group play.

Nerf town portals and kiting as well, along with run speed, LoS objects, and slow scouting of potentially dangerous areas.



It's a good thing that no boss in this game has an AoE attack, I guess, because that would sure tear up some decoy totems. It's like saying "Shock and Horror" is easy if you know the mechanics.

Tell that to this guy who lost his character today to invisible laser from Shock and Horror. Around 1min 20 sec.

http://www.twitch.tv/majorgaren/c/3453727

You can search for etups death on colonnade map if you'd like to see someone get destroyed with decoy totems like you suggest.

In an offline version of the game, you might be right about knowing mechanics = being able to beat bosses. In actual practice, there is nothing that trivializes content like FM/EP.

Dominus laughs at decoy totems. He probably finds FM/EP less amusing.
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I_NO wrote:

Nice, but i have no idea why you buying another support pack :)
Aaron Ciccheli, a guy who made millions running Diablo and PoE RMT sites, owns a significant portion of GGG. How's that for a conflict of interest? 7.5% of your supporter pack money goes to this guy.
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I_NO wrote:

Nice, but i have no idea why you buying another support pack :)


Eh what do you mean? I enjoy this game like this is diablo 3 what I've always wanted what I keep worrying about is they keep nerfing stupid shit no no I'm not talking about FM I don't give a fuck about that

Like my legit actual builds anything legit you know? I have a very very bad fear of it I've experienced it enough in D3. I'm having faith they won't do anything else that's going to ruin my fun personally

I'll support them as long as they aren't being derp and do stupid shit.
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Last edited by Coconutdoggy#1805 on Dec 27, 2013, 5:32:50 PM
freeze is a mechanic of the game. taking away a feature of the game for a few whiners that havent taken advantage of that mechanic is stupid.
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leighferon wrote:
freeze is a mechanic of the game. taking away a feature of the game for a few whiners that havent taken advantage of that mechanic is stupid.


I think you're the one whining in fear of it being nerfed.

And don't worry, it will. 100% chance. If they nerfed cwdt then they will nerf this too.
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lolozori wrote:
Few people keep secret vendor recipes for ages, make tons of orbs with it, GGG is happy about it even if it give those few people knowing the secrets a net advantages in ladder races because of the wealth advantages they get form it.

I see those builds exploits to be the same. If it s ok for a few to have an advantage in wealth with secrets recipes, I can t understand why it is not ok to get advantages by using carefully constructed builds.



There is a line between good, properly-constructed build and stupidly overpowered build/mechanics.

Do you think Cast on Death summons require clever build? Nah, summoners axisted and were viable lond before that gem. Implementing it actually TRIPLED their DPS output.

Do you think freeze mine + ele prolife requires investments? Nah, just 4-L is enough and any build can afford that. In return, it make any boss incapable to do anything other from dropping loot. Wow, how interesting. Sorry, but i play computer games because they are interesting. If a game provides you with silly mechanics to bypass challenge, then it's a bad game.
Do you think this OP shit is first in ARPG games? NAH. Here are examples:
Diablo3. Wizards with almost no life, great regen and Force Armor could be practically invincible because no hit can damage them for more than 35% life. It worked AS INTENDED, but blizzard soon fixed it.
Titan Quest. Endgame character can have 100% block chance and zero block cooldown, therefore being invincible to most mobs (same to Aegis Aurora in PoE). Stupid and overpowered.
Hellgate London. Burn doing 5% of enemy's max HP per second. Any boss, even with gazillion HP, dies in 20 seconds (of kiting).

Having all those shit makes bad game. Removing it makes game more interesting for player community.

You enjoy playing imbalanced games? Why are you playing PoE then? There are DOZENS of games with shitty bugs, imbalances, stuff OP as fuck, etc, etc, etc. Try playing Sacred / Sacred 2, you'll understand what i mean there.


+1
And idea about "secret recipe" that players MUST find out and then NO ONE KNOW THEM/OR KEEP FOR THEMSELF... wow, just same as never add there recipes.
At least ggg can say to all after 2-3 weeks, if noone find out or keep for themself.


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Hilbert wrote:
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- this is how you balanced your game GGG? Nice end-game content.

What do you expect from poor game design?

Instead of a clever AI you get One Shot gearcheck mechanics.

And since then Freezing+Elem Profilation and Blind gems are a MUST if you don't fit the gearcheck.

Really what kind of design is this a level 100 getting killed by a level 80 mob?

And then the devs wonder why even among the MMORPG players, players are leaving.

PoE is about to become a 2k player and 30-50 of Top 100 game again.


And even it gets fixed at some point crafting sucks and there still isn't a risk reward.


True, sad but clearly true.
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Such insane disbalance: solo not comapr with party, bcs in party you get all auras + all source dmg + less chance to die + bosses w/o aoe can kill only 1 per hit + support role INSANE OP in party + etc many broken stuff.

There tons rly bad choise, for example: trading >>>>>>> JUST INSANE OP ! >>>>>>> gambling; solo drop <<<<<<<<<<<< party drop; BROKEN trash MF that make game not even worth for solo; etc
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Upon reading quite a few replies in this thread with the same tune I decided to make a couple of extra videos:

Crematorium boss:
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Shrine boss:
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These are in response to the I HAVE 269846923846346 TO ALL RESISTS AND INFINITY LIFE YET I GET 1 SHOT BY BOSSES NOT FAIR THIS FREEZE IS OK BCUZ IMPOSSIBLE OTHERWISE.

I actually laughed when I saw the topic of the thread because the other day I watched one of their streams and witnessed what the freezing lols for myself. At first I couldn't believe I was watching the nemesis players entering a boss room and then it became clear. In my opinion, yea anything that renders the biggest vaginas in this game able to walk up and melee the hardest bosses shouldn't be allowed to exist.

These are the same guys who have 9k life and avoid the easiest modded bosses because "just incase". That said I'm not fussed if you let them have their cheese mechanic, it's boring and so is the way they play. If you want to enable their 12 hour boredom grindfests so be it.

And someone earlier said Dominus is a terrible boss because he can 1 shot you or something. I think Dominus is the PERFECT boss because in no situation do you die unless YOU made the mistake. He's a skill check plain and simple.

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