Why GGG_Neon promote the PERMA freeze mobs and bosses?

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Mathil wrote:

Upon reading quite a few replies in this thread with the same tune I decided to make a couple of extra videos:

Crematorium boss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSRw0WHCAv8&feature=youtu.be

Shrine boss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbvZ1DfITVA

These are in response to the I HAVE 269846923846346 TO ALL RESISTS AND INFINITY LIFE YET I GET 1 SHOT BY BOSSES NOT FAIR THIS FREEZE IS OK BCUZ IMPOSSIBLE OTHERWISE.

I actually laughed when I saw the topic of the thread because the other day I watched one of their streams and witnessed what the freezing lols for myself. At first I couldn't believe I was watching the nemesis players entering a boss room and then it became clear. In my opinion, yea anything that renders the biggest vaginas in this game able to walk up and melee the hardest bosses shouldn't be allowed to exist.

These are the same guys who have 9k life and avoid the easiest modded bosses because "just incase". That said I'm not fussed if you let them have their cheese mechanic, it's boring and so is the way they play. If you want to enable their 12 hour boredom grindfests so be it.

And someone earlier said Dominus is a terrible boss because he can 1 shot you or something. I think Dominus is the PERFECT boss because in no situation do you die unless YOU made the mistake. He's a skill check plain and simple.

Couldnt agree more with the bolded part.

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And someone earlier said Dominus is a terrible boss because he can 1 shot you or something. I think Dominus is the PERFECT boss because in no situation do you die unless YOU made the mistake. He's a skill check plain and simple.

Not saying i don't agree, but desync renders any skill play mute.

This boss would be cheesy like hell in an offline mode "DA TOUCH OF GOD", ok, sidestep.

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Boem wrote:

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And someone earlier said Dominus is a terrible boss because he can 1 shot you or something. I think Dominus is the PERFECT boss because in no situation do you die unless YOU made the mistake. He's a skill check plain and simple.

Not saying i don't agree, but desync renders any skill play mute.

This boss would be cheesy like hell in an offline mode "DA TOUCH OF GOD", ok, sidestep.

Look desync sucks and we've all been victim to its wrath but that doesn't mean you can't play with skill and work around it. I haven't even been hit by his fist due to desync before.

It's not new and we all know what to expect with it. It's not an excuse to water down the content of the entire game because well I COULD desync to it.

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Mathil wrote:

And someone earlier said Dominus is a terrible boss because he can 1 shot you or something. I think Dominus is the PERFECT boss because in no situation do you die unless YOU made the mistake. He's a skill check plain and simple.

I would absolutely agree with you on that one, but, I have some videos for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr74cZnwSPs
check around 0:23, 0:31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teXyPkXrKLc
check around 0:53, 1:43 (that flask effect is curse immune), 2:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih3xEHsBKjg
check around 0:43, 4:01, 4:14

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Boem wrote:

Not saying i don't agree, but desync renders any skill play mute.

*moot

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Look desync sucks and we've all been victim to its wrath but that doesn't mean you can't play with skill and work around it. I haven't even been hit by his fist due to desync before.

It's not new and we all know what to expect with it. It's not an excuse to water down the content of the entire game because well I COULD desync to it.

I was just making an observation, any skill play related to poe is rendered moot since there is desync, i am not saying i am for/against desync or anything, it is just an observation.

While desync is the way it is, people will not opt to create skill based builds. That is why the most successful builds are hard ehp based builds, to create a buffer to conquer desync, not the difficulty of the game.

I know how to combat desync etc, i know the tricks, i play hc/nem etc (no pun intended to soft/dom, i play those league's as well) but you cant realistically create a fun skill based build in this game in a hc setting. The same rule apply's to bosses with 1 shot mechanics, i love the vaal fight, it's well designed and very cool (experience beats the boss, i enjoy that and it relies on skill) but you cant expect people in hc to combat that boss on a "skill" based setting.

Consider how long it takes to reach lvl 90+, then consider that desync is prevalent in the game(again this is just an observation, i don't mean any harm by it), then consider bosses have ways of 1 shoting you. Trying to beat that boss without a cheesy mechanic would be foolish, it would be brave and honorable, but foolish none the less.

I am not saying it cannot be done, of course it can, but eventually you will die. If it was your own mistake cool shit, suck it up and reroll. If it was not, the feeling will be totally different. And it is this second emotion people wish to avoid, and i can sympathize with that.

Peace
-Boem-

Edit : mute =/= moot thx robert.

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Boem wrote:

The same rule apply's to bosses with 1 shot mechanics, i love the vaal fight, it's well designed and very cool (experience beats the boss, i enjoy that and it relies on skill) but you cant expect people in hc to combat that boss on a "skill" based setting.

I don't think there's any point of us arguing, you're not going to cave and neither am I.

I absolutely can expect people to combat that boss based on skill. I haven't been hit by his slam in months because I know what to expect from him and every other boss paired with desync. You play around it.

Like, what I'm saying is this far in noone 90+ should ever by dying to a desync paired with a boss mechanic and going "oh what the shit that was bs" because you KNOW what to expect by now, when it will happen and how. With vaal for example whenever he raises from the ground he'll often walk after you and he's not actually walking or maybe he is, you hit /oos and he's still stationary and thus jumped like 40 feet. Desync mechanics to me have become part of the boss fight basically and you play around them just like you do the other mechanics.

Regardless of all that avoiding Vaal smash as a ranged is beyond a joke even with desync, people don't really avoid that guy anymore. And with Dominus atleast in the 74 version I can take a fistofgod and it'll hit me for about 5k life. That's still not 1 shot by any standards.

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And with Dominus atleast in the 74 version I can take a fistofgod and it'll hit me for about 5k life. That's still not 1 shot by any standards.

Of course not because you raised your buffer to go over the hit, in that way combating desync, not the boss mechanic. Just like every normal player is doing atm.

There are no current data on skill based builds, and if they are they would be found in the standard league, not hc.

I am basing my statements on a skill based build, lets say 100/150%hp increase , leaving more points for diversity but sacrificing buffer to do so. You know the builds nobody makes on hc.

You are basing your statement on the current builds and game. (sorry if i am wrong with this assumption, it is not an insult)

You are saying a 5k hit is ok to tank and still consider yourself, skill playing the boss, i am saying you should not take 1 fist of god until you reach lvl 100 = skill based play. And this is very unlikely even with all precaution.

I don't know how much hp a 125%hp increase build would have with max rolled items (again an imaginary setting since BiS = unlikely to get) but i imagine it would not go over 5k?
I might be wrong.

I don't really care if we both have different concepts about it, but maybe it is relevant to boss design in the future or to this thread, so i don't mind swapping concepts and idea's.

Skill play is not happening atm, that was my only point, and i fully understand why it is not. We can both have different views on skill play, nobody is harmed by that :).

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Krayken wrote:

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leighferon wrote:

If they nerfed cwdt then they will nerf this too.

But CwDT still rocks ass, if you level it and the gems it supports right.

Of course the FM + EP might see some balance changes. Just like IAS and CM did in Diablo 3. We still learned how to compensate then, and those of us with patience and the ability to acquire certain gear were able to theorycraft a successful answer that allowed the CM build to become the dominant Wizard spec (again). Ultimately Blizzard had to make drastic changes to do away with one of the most abused/overused mechanics in the game. GGG will have to take similar steps in making that happen with this. Any changes they make to the skill itself can (and will) be compensated for. Fuck, that's half the fun anyway.

what's the easiest way to abuse this feature?