Why GGG_Neon promote the PERMA freeze mobs and bosses?

All these knickers wadded up over FM+EP...

but nobody says anything about how broken the game gets with more than 1 decoy totem on screen....

Or that I can facetank any iteration of Kole with 2x Flame Totem + Blind + LMP + Fire Pen w/ Enfeeble while trimming my toenails....

or archer toons that off-screen content...

or summoners pounding coffee to stay awake while their burning miscreation specters melt whole maps in seconds...

the list goes on...

OP started this thread, IMO, because he's upset that another player, who happens to stream, is using a strategy to pull ahead in ladder rankings. Jealousy is never pretty.

I think GGG wants us to discover ways to "break the game", especially at high levels. It is the "reward" for having become a veritable god. Enough thought and problem solving should be all is needed for any player to discover how, with almost any skill/item/build.

if its as nuts as everyone says , i might just have to use it , for the lulz you understand

i concure that there are already plenty of ways to render content trivial.

in no particular order


bor with any 10 aps attack is almost 100% blind time on anything
aegis aurora can quite literally make any block build immortal.
minion builds focused around key specters and .. even just minion builds in general can make things trivial


when you put things in the game whose whole point it would seem was to make it so certain mechanics would be negated

like freeze mine existing only to freeze and no damage
or the stun gem
or blind

then you will have to expect people to break them.

dont complain .. use it , if its too boring then dont use it.

by the logic of the op , team play is unbalanced because it too trivializes everything in the game.

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Sinnesteuer wrote:

OP started this thread, IMO, because he's upset that another player, who happens to stream, is using a strategy to pull ahead in ladder rankings. Jealousy is never pretty.

I think GGG wants us to discover ways to "break the game", especially at high levels. It is the "reward" for having become a veritable god. Enough thought and problem solving should be all is needed for any player to discover how, with almost any skill/item/build.

OP certainly doesn't care about the ladder rankings.

As for GGG wants us to discover ways to break the game...Just, no. Any time that has happened in the past they nerf the shit out of that build. That's why they stopped doing "Build of the Week." No one will submit their build anymore because they are afraid it will get nerfed to the ground. With good reason, as the majority of things that have been featured have then taken a nerf within a few weeks.

Wow, this thread is still going?

Stop worrying about what streamers do and play the game yourself.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

And,i repeat once again:
HOW KILLING 100% IMMOBILIZED STATUES CAN BE BALANCED OR FUN???

How can kiting bosses for half an hour (I've seen videos of such crap) be fun at all?
It may be my personal opinion but I play action RPG's mainly to kill monsters, masses, fast and for fun and profit. As easier, as better. I wan't no uber-challenge, if I want a hard and challenging game, I play Ikaruga. ;)
However, GGG seems to have the opinion that PoE has to rape the players every minute so they designed mobs and especialy Bosses hard as hell (I even would call them cheating). So it is just fair when players can have a revenge and show the mobs where they belong. :D They have to die, that's what they are for.

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Sinnesteuer wrote:

or summoners pounding coffee to stay awake while their burning miscreation specters melt whole maps in seconds...

Summoner here, but it's not quiet that easy. ;) I play solo/selffound, and yesterday Temple Piety killed my Minions within seconds and usualy nothing kills my minions that fast. After my Minions, I usualy die of course, whoever has designed Temple Piety seems to be masochistic. Perma-Freezing would be very handy at this mob but finaly I was able to beat her with some other tricks. It was not a flawless victory like I usualy prefer, she killed me more often than I her. Not fun.

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Fusion_Power wrote:

I tried the combo and it seems to work more or less but I would not call it "OP". Mines have to be layed, and it's always at your feet so the flexibility and your movement is limited, then you have to wait and watch until a mob is in range and then you have to trigger the mine manualy. Takes tons off time imho.
Some people may enjoy it but that's not my style of gameplay, I like things fast and automated so I will prefer any Trap and especialy spell totems above mines.

Thats why every party have a dedicated freeze trapper. Or I should not say dedicated as in alot of passives invested but rather dedicated in a sense that he just stands there ready to lay freeze mines. So I would conclude that for partying in high level areas freeze mine is broken because you can guarantee perma freeze. In solo play I think freeze trap is not that effective.

I don't use it since it reeks of nerf all over the place. The devs could not have meant it to work like it does right now. I think they will implement a boss scaling or just lower the "virtual cold damage" it uses or how it is scaled by passives.

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Antnee wrote:

Wow, this thread is still going?

Stop worrying about what streamers do and play the game yourself.

Streamers, particularly a reason of this thread, since game represented by them, you think what such absurd gameplay promotion (with staff involved btw) is healthy for game?

Lets assume this not fixed for next leagues, so 4 months of walking in frozen park? Who would watch it? :)

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Qarl wrote:

Often, when I get told - "everyone is doing X", and I have a look, there are often only a handful of people doing, its just often these are the most visible. An example of this is 6-link Shavronne's. If I look at over level 90 characters, in all leagues, played in the last month, well under 50 players have Shavronne's Wrappings equipped. And if I look at the stats, if you want to die, wear a Shavronne's.

I'll just leave this here for reflection.

I have actually grouped with Neon on Nemesis while both he and I were using this clearly broken setup. Neon himself acknowledged that its broken and needs to be fixed in some way. There are bosses that specifically have resists that prevent being frozen, but because of ele prolif, it gets negated. Its not what they intended.

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Antnee wrote:

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Qarl wrote:

Often, when I get told - "everyone is doing X", and I have a look, there are often only a handful of people doing, its just often these are the most visible. An example of this is 6-link Shavronne's. If I look at over level 90 characters, in all leagues, played in the last month, well under 50 players have Shavronne's Wrappings equipped. And if I look at the stats, if you want to die, wear a Shavronne's.

I'll just leave this here for reflection.

Lol, reflection of what?
Single person Lvl 100 HC, guess what chest he used? Rrrright, shavrone. Get some sense next time.

But ok ok, you, probably mean, what not everyone use freeze mine, yeah, true, thanks for input!