1200 fusings, no 6 link

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Moosifer wrote:

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Dragoneyes001 wrote:

the minute you add a real number of players to this game beyond a closed economy the closed beta creates you increase the volume of 6l's exponentially.

This is the biggest point that everyone complaining seems to completely ignore. You guys are upset you aren't able to get a 6l in the matter of 2-3 months. What happens when the population rises by 3-10x the average amount now (maybe even more if the game takes off) and you guys win making 6ls easier to get?

Seriously guys, don't ruin this game just so you can have a luxury item. You have a very short sighted view on the issue.

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Dragoneyes001 wrote:

the very idea that RNG will somehow protect the LMAO!"economy Value" of 6l's is naive at best simply stupid at worst.

the minute you add a real number of players to this game beyond a closed economy the closed beta creates you increase the volume of 6l's exponentially not only will they suddenly flood the market they will become soooooo common as to be dirt cheap if not outright toss away's unless they have perfect stats.

RNG only keeps something rare with a small sample group when you add tens of thousands of players to the sample group with a simply random chance of 1-whatever that 6l will occur unlike a windforce bow in D2 which had a 1 in 14 billion chance of dropping if you killed a boss with at least an Ilvl of 97 or higher drop list. the random chance will be beaten frequently as it already has by some with nearly no or few fusings the sample groups size will directly affect the total number of items making it onto the market but unlike orbs 6L's stick around and will get traded at first with a value but the value has no choice but to continually drop as the game ages. this reason alone makes the entire premise of 6L's being truly valuable beyond useful is dumb.

the other thing about D2 and most likely PoE is botting which will happen to accumulate anything of trading value and that will include whatever it takes to make 6L's as fast and as often as possible until the market bottom drops out.

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EpsiIon wrote:

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Dragoneyes001 wrote:

the very idea that RNG will somehow protect the LMAO!"economy Value" of 6l's is naive at best simply stupid at worst.

the minute you add a real number of players to this game beyond a closed economy the closed beta creates you increase the volume of 6l's exponentially not only will they suddenly flood the market they will become soooooo common as to be dirt cheap if not outright toss away's unless they have perfect stats.

RNG only keeps something rare with a small sample group when you add tens of thousands of players to the sample group with a simply random chance of 1-whatever that 6l will occur unlike a windforce bow in D2 which had a 1 in 14 billion chance of dropping if you killed a boss with at least an Ilvl of 97 or higher drop list. the random chance will be beaten frequently as it already has by some with nearly no or few fusings the sample groups size will directly affect the total number of items making it onto the market but unlike orbs 6L's stick around and will get traded at first with a value but the value has no choice but to continually drop as the game ages. this reason alone makes the entire premise of 6L's being truly valuable beyond useful is dumb.

the other thing about D2 and most likely PoE is botting which will happen to accumulate anything of trading value and that will include whatever it takes to make 6L's as fast and as often as possible until the market bottom drops out.

That is kind of the point. 6ls will lose value, yes, however, 6ls with perfect stats of the highest possible tier? Likely to be much scarcer. Another factor missing in your "analysis" (If I would be allowed to tentatively call it that) is that the "Playerbase" will be further fragmented upon release, due to multiple new leagues being made, with a multitude of different rules. Add upon that the fact that "Races" and "Ladders" will also continue.

Your statements and assumptions make sense, if you say this game is directly D2, with only what, one specific example of a "league"? The devs have stated that they know it is unavoidable for default not to become a wonderful playhouse of godlike items, the point is making it balanced around the start, so as to give a good enough feeling for the smaller leagues and/or races/ladders that will likely be a rather large part of the playerbase.

We are talking about a rather simple situation, and know it or not, you supported what I and others have been saying, 6ls are easy and will become plentiful enough, however due to the market mobility of orbs and such, their value in the beginning relative to orbs will be very pertinent, as a large snowball factor in wealth is a rather big issue, in this game specifically.

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EpsiIon wrote:

Indeed, however, 6ls and perfect stats are different, depending on the milestone and the build. The game itself definitelhy has a lifespan, under which it is balanced, economy wise, however at the same time, that is why we will likely not only have ladders, but races, multitudes of leagues and likely things GGG has not yet revealed yet. In the end, you are arguing it is not balanced around release, when we are not even close to release, so to speak. Open beta will of course, due to the influx, reveal a whole slew of new problems, create even worse and more, and provide critical data.

Still, using your arguement, there is utterly no reason to buy or do anything, because waiting x amount of time, will make everything useless. In the end, all the economy is, is buying and selling time.

Another pertinent point to raise is that default will likely become the "legacy", so to speak, server of release. A place where all toons that are finished with races or ladders will be dumped.

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Dragoneyes001 wrote:

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6L's are currently by far harder to attain than perfect stats. this should be the reverse if they plan to have any kind of longevity. 6L using simple RNG to rarefy is a numbers game which popularity defeats quickly. if the game languishes in obscurity it'll work. if it gets any kind of popularity even only at first then 6L's will flood the market from day 1 and lose any value pretty much overnight.

doesn't matter if they have a ladder race if its a primary attractor the population will be there. and so will the numbers to defeat the RNG of 6L's