Auction house Yes/No?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Wittgenstein wrote:

I used to be against the AH, but since people now purposefully avoid the 'crafting' system and just trade for gear I don't see any issues with it. GGG has created an AH game without an AH.

Into the frying pan, and into the fire.

No, you're wrong and, whether you know it or not, just turned slightly evil. You don't punish a game's failures by encouraging it to fail even harder.

I believe that the curent half-assed solution with a global eco., the need for trade and a crappy trade system, is the worst of all.

Possible systems ranging from most preffered to least preffered:

1.) No global economy, no trading, no dilluted drops, no "OMG we cant do that because it will cause inflation and stock market crashes",... just pure ARPG

2.) With gobal economy, dilluted drops, ergo the need to trade, with an easy to operate trading system that doesnt get in your way. Some people call it Auction House.

3.) With gobal economy, dilluted drops, ergo the need to trade, with a crappy artificially hindered trading system whose sole purpose is to waste your time, so that you are discouraged to "play the trading", but at the same time you have to trade... wtf?


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To clarify I'm not calling for an auction house, far from that - I vastly prefer point 1.)
But the current system is crap and still makes you "play the trading game". An AH at least doesnt waste your time.

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Grildrak wrote:

The fact HC is not flooded with them at the moment is the lack of players in it with onslaught taking so many players wait a little and they will soon be back to sell all the junk they got in the other league lol. (you are not the only one playing HC btw)

Why do you think I said Hardcore leagueSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Onslaught is a Hardcore league.

1possible solution (maybe) is an AH for op endgame gear (6linked, perfect mods) only !!!

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Soldier87gr wrote:

1possible solution (maybe) is an AH for op endgame gear (6linked, perfect mods) only !!!

Why would I want an AH for that? Its not like these items are hard to sell anyway.

Question for people that think GGG direction with trading is the bestest (or that trading is really the best thing that can happen to an ARPG):

I have exalts, I need chisel. Why do I have to hang on stupid trade chat for an hour, trying to buy chisels with exalt, before I can actually begin to play? Why do I have to interact with possibly annoying people that want to rip me off, before I get to my chisel?

Why I cant instead:

1.) Scenario 1, AH: sell my exalt for chisel while I'm sleeping, thus not wasting my gameplay time

2.) Scenario 2, no global economy, no trading: sell my exalt to Nessa for X chisel, thus not wasting my gameplay time

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morbo wrote:

I have exalts, I need chisel. Why do I have to hang on stupid trade chat for an hour, trying to buy chisels with exalt, before I can actually begin to play? Why do I have to interact with possibly annoying people that want to rip me off, before I get to my chisel?

Because getting what you want is supposed to be difficult in this game.

And the #1 factor that the people complaining about trade chat don't ever fess up to, is if their currency rates and asking prices are part of the problem.

I see it all the time, people with very unrealistic asking prices and currency ratios, and then they wonder why they sit in trade chat and don't get what they want.

I mean I get it, our generation is entitlement based so they don't want to negotiate and make an effort to get a result, they'd rather just have everything handed to them with an auction house.

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morbo wrote:

1.) Scenario 1, AH: sell my exalt for chisel while I'm sleeping, thus not wasting my gameplay time

2.) Scenario 2, no global economy, no trading: sell my exalt to Nessa for X chisel, thus not wasting my gameplay time

Again, this is an economic simulator not an ARPG. In their own statements they highlight the centrality of the economy to everything. What's going on here is you're playing the wrong game and so your idea of "wasted game play time" isn't pertinent to this game.

Like me, you wanted a hack & slash... go out, kill monsters, get phat lewtz, kill more monsters. That whole dynamic is an afterthought in this game. A min/max strategy in this game would look more like...

"Go out, kill a few monsters, build up an investment fund, make savvy investments in the marketplace until you are wealthy, then go play with the shiny toys you bought by facerolling everything."

If I were min/maxing this game, I'd spend upwards of 90% of my time in the economic simulator because leveling itself is trivially easy once you are wealthy and wealth is not gained from monsters here. It's PvP'd from other players.

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Nolimitation wrote:

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morbo wrote:

I have exalts, I need chisel. Why do I have to hang on stupid trade chat for an hour, trying to buy chisels with exalt, before I can actually begin to play? Why do I have to interact with possibly annoying people that want to rip me off, before I get to my chisel?

Because getting what you want is supposed to be difficult in this game.

And the #1 factor that the people complaining about trade chat don't ever fess up to, is if their currency rates and asking prices are part of the problem.

I see it all the time, people with very unrealistic asking prices and currency ratios, and then they wonder why they sit in trade chat and don't get what they want.

I mean I get it, our generation is entitlement based so they don't want to negotiate and make an effort to get a result, they'd rather just have everything handed to them with an auction house.

You are confused. Trading is not difficult, its actually "being handed everything without much effort". Gaining the right loot through playing the game is actually difficult.

btw, I was trying to buy 60 chisel with 1 exalt - you think that's an unrealistic rate in Standard?

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@snapple99, sadly I have to agree... ARPGing was made secondary to trading and trading is (intentionally) crappy to make PoE "not fall in the same pit as D3". Ironically, because being centered around a global economy system, PoE is already in the pit, without an AH.

People are just pretending that everything is ok, that there is no "playing the trading game" in PoE and that there are no divisions to poor & rich. Lol...

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You are confused. Trading is not difficult, its actually "being handed everything without much effort". Gaining the right loot through playing the game is actually difficult.

btw, I was trying to buy 60 chisel with 1 exalt - you think that's an unrealistic rate in Standard?

No actually it's you who is confused.

First you say that you don't like the effort it takes to get what you want in trade chat.

Now you say that trading isn't difficult, it is being handed everything without much effort.

Which one is it? You're just playing semantics because you lost the argument before it begin with this garbage auction house idea.

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Nolimitation wrote:

First you say that you don't like the effort it takes to get what you want in trade chat.

Now you say that trading isn't difficult, it is being handed everything without much effort.

Which one is it? You're just playing semantics because you lost the argument before it begin with this garbage auction house idea.

Getting gear through trading is easy, compared to looting it by playing the game. But the act of buying it is way more time consuming (ie. "difficult") than it could be.

If I'm supposed to trade, then at least gimme an efficient system to do so. You can call that efficient system that doesnt waste my gameplay time an Auction House, or whatever.