The Palpable and Uninformed Hate and Dismissal of POE1 Veterans Sounding the Alarm is Worrying

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Kraythax#2592 wrote:

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kuciol#0426 wrote:

Being forced to trade means its not the same. In poe2 you are self sufficient. Even casuals can play ssf there with self made build. This proves my point perfectly. PoE2 is build around lower drop rates while poe1 is not. Comparing the 2 is therfor stupid. PoE2 is more comperable to D4 or LE.

Wow .. doubt it. Not with the gearing situation and things descrbed by well known POE streamers about item scarcity in maps. Playing SSF is a pretty harsh commitment. Most will trade in the end if they cant find what they need. And to be honest if I am playing SSF I dont mind that, so long as the crafting system permits it.

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Gkek#1581 wrote:

I love how this dude hboi is flaming people and saying "skill issue" but if you look at his challenges he doesn't play most seasons and the seasons he does play he hits the atlas and quits... He's the guy the post is talking about that plays campaign once every three years and bounces.

Also somehow goes entire seasons without so much as using a regal orb, so it's not like he used to play and just is disengaged from recent seasons. Doesn't even seem to understand basic crafting.

But he's here to tell you about how you're bad for not liking the game because the ONLY reason anyone could object to the direction is that they can't win...

obnoxious

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kuciol#0426 wrote:

There is huge difference when trading for gear upgrades and trading for literall abilities. Many players do in fact try to play SSF, maybe without tag, maybe not 100% of the time but it is what they do. Its mostly newcomers too. Try that in ruthless.

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Querker#1809 wrote:

You were simply running lab for two hundred times to get all the required ones while ships keep bringing them in as a second source. If you can run lab once - you can do it other 199 times. And to keep in mind that ssf was never a core of balance even for standard no matter what game we are talking about.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

The hilarious thing is, it's already turned into PoE 1 with all the meta builds out there lmao, tft server already having dedicated channels for boss carries in softcore, and best of all: the moment the first real league launches and its f2p everyone will copy-paste the hell out of those meta builds. Because playing the best,strongest builds simply feels good.

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

The hilarious thing is, it's already turned into PoE 1 with all the meta builds out there lmao, tft server already having dedicated channels for boss carries in softcore, and best of all: the moment the first real league launches and its f2p everyone will copy-paste the hell out of those meta builds. Because playing the best,strongest builds simply feels good.

Indeed, though it's not about "turning into PoE1"
That's litterally the goal of the genre. You kill mobs, to get gear, to kill bigger mobs, to get more gear, to kill faster mobs, show off to your friends. Repeat until next economy restart, which brings more things on top.

And no, that's not my opinion, veteran or not veteran, PoE1 or PoE2 player :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM_5S55jUzk

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Gkek#1581 wrote:

I love how this dude hboi is flaming people and saying "skill issue" but if you look at his challenges he doesn't play most seasons and the seasons he does play he hits the atlas and quits... He's the guy the post is talking about that plays campaign once every three years and bounces.

Also somehow goes entire seasons without so much as using a regal orb, so it's not like he used to play and just is disengaged from recent seasons. Doesn't even seem to understand basic crafting.

But he's here to tell you about how you're bad for not liking the game because the ONLY reason anyone could object to the direction is that they can't win...

obnoxious

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Kraythax#2592 wrote:

Nearly every POE1 veteran that posts a thread about issues with the longevity of POE2 is a long term POE1 veteran. They have played many leagues, some of them have played nearly all leagues. They have seen mechanics like crafting iterated on and they keep coming back. These are the people that made POE2 possible by their financial support of GGG. They are offering considered feedback based on thousands of cumulative hours of playtime in POE1 and are being hate trolled to death by newcomers to this game and often genre. That is pretty par for the internet but the fact that GGG is not responding to our concerns is troubling.

The game that the newcomers want wont survive. As many veterans have pointed out a massive super long campaign, busted crafting system that is little more than a sadistic RNG generator and other issues will limit the longevity of the game.

Need proof? I can prove it in 2 days. Just reset the server like a new league. Add a class to the game and reset. All of those newcomers are going to throw an absolute tantrum. The old veterans are going to sagely nod and say "yep, now you get it."

POE2 wont survive a dozen years like POE1 because people who want to play and support the company are not going to slog through this mire that makes ruthless feel easy (I went back to my ruthless char to get some achievements and it felt easy).

To GGG,

Ignore us at your own peril. The issues, and often fixes, are all over this forum posted by veterans with evidence and discussion often trolled by the "git gud" crowd of newcomers offering no actual content in their emotion laden replies. Almost every POE1 veteran and streamer I see has SERIOUS concerns. If you want to expand the audience rather than replace it for one that buys one MTX and leaves, there is a TON of work to do with this game and if you don't intend to listen to the players that made the game a success then I think whoever is making these decisions at GGG is possibly not right for this role. Copying Diablo IV or dark souls isn't going to make this game a success. Those games are another animal and the wrong audience.

The newcomers don't get it but they will when they have to run the campaign for the third time starting all over. Then they will just leave, numbers will plummet and they wont come back.

What about me? If the game is released in this state I will probably use the few hours I have to play games in POE1. If you shut down POE1 without fixing POE2 I will just stop playing your game.

For the first time in a dozen years I feel like GGG could care less what we have to say and that is bothersome.

-- Sincerely
-- A supporter that has given your company nearly $1200 over the 10 years.