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Just wanna throw this into the ring, not sure if someone has.
What IF the feedback and view of veterans is too biased and narrow coming from vears of PoE1?
SOME, not all, of the feedback from veterans sounded to me like they want this game to be more like PoE1 and i would dislike to see that happening. The gameplay and systems now are very relaxed and easy to digest and i am glad to not have the clusterfuck of chisel, alch, vaal, sextant, scarab etc. I think the general approach here is well done although, yes, they might add all that crap in here as well.
Have a good day!
I don't want more power, speed, or items types.
They did a good job getting that right.
One of GGG's bigger mistakes was no crafting bench. We don't actually need any more item clutter in order to turn it on. I thought lead Dev Johnathan's reasons for cutting it sounded good. Now that I've played the game without one, I disagree with removing the crafting bench. Its one of the core reasons that made item crafting in PoE1 so great. Now crafting is boring. Some of the stuff you can still do with Omens, but its not the same.
Another mistake is how heavy handed the punishments for failure are. It's too high right now. Harsh punishment doesn't make victory feel any better. It just makes mistakes feel so much worse.
I don't value punishments at all, it's the core reason I avoid Hardcore characters. Its not actually any harder, it just takes longer.
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And finally the biggest mistake is bringing in Sanctum and forcing people to play that garbage. That shit pissed me off so much I'm here now and scream about it every day. Never touched these forums before that.
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Posted byLugonu#1626on Dec 20, 2024, 7:50:46 PM
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Can't wait until they announce a huge patch or the end of early access and 2,000,000 people fully enrage because "my character isn't going to carry over to season 1!!!!!"
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Posted byGkek#1581on Dec 20, 2024, 7:53:32 PM
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What's all the fuzz about? People demand campaign skips? Not happening, it's not D4. Removing honor from Sekhema? Not happening since it's central to mechanics.
"We wanted PoE2" they say while expecting it to be something they jump in and destroy first try? What's the point of such a "sequel"? PoE 2 is different in many aspects, requires you to learn to get good at. But some self-proclaimed veterans got reality checked. They're bad at the game and think GGG gotta make them feel good about themselves somehow. Maybe you should challenge yourself instead of crying?
So much drama. Especially funny to see it from grown men. :D
lol daaaamn. I agree with you. POE 1 'vets' getting skill checked and raging on the forums demanding the game be changed is pretty funny.
"skill checked" by an easy game in an easy genre of games
You just want to dismiss people who disagree with you, but you don't have the knowledge to even begin to argue.
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Posted byGkek#1581on Dec 20, 2024, 7:56:13 PM
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Can't wait until they announce a huge patch or the end of early access and 2,000,000 people fully enrage because "my character isn't going to carry over to season 1!!!!!"
2 million people have said this ? Where?
Who expects this exactly ? Or are we just making things up to:
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dismiss people who agree with you
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Posted byPoe2WarriorMan#6401on Dec 20, 2024, 7:58:16 PMOn Probation
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What's all the fuzz about? People demand campaign skips? Not happening, it's not D4. Removing honor from Sekhema? Not happening since it's central to mechanics.
"We wanted PoE2" they say while expecting it to be something they jump in and destroy first try? What's the point of such a "sequel"? PoE 2 is different in many aspects, requires you to learn to get good at. But some self-proclaimed veterans got reality checked. They're bad at the game and think GGG gotta make them feel good about themselves somehow. Maybe you should challenge yourself instead of crying?
So much drama. Especially funny to see it from grown men. :D
lol daaaamn. I agree with you. POE 1 'vets' getting skill checked and raging on the forums demanding the game be changed is pretty funny.
"skill checked" by an easy game in an easy genre of games
You just want to dismiss people who disagree with you, but you don't have the knowledge to even begin to argue.
If it's so easy then 10 % xp death penalty 1 death maps and ascendancy points shouldn't be a problem for you since you won't die in an easy game. So what are your arguments
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Posted byhboi#6131on Dec 20, 2024, 7:58:20 PM
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What are you talking about? I never said that the game was a problem. My feedback was that some mechanics which have since been nerfed are completely stupid and that the game was tedious because you spent most of your time kiting the exact same way against every enemy or walking.
I think the boss fights were the best part of the entire game.
You are assuming every problem with the game has something to do with difficulty when nobody reasonably expected balance from an EA game. The grander issues are the simplification of the systems that made POE1 long-lived and interesting as well as some design choices that were made to please an audience that will complete the campaign once and never touch a season beyond that.
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Posted byGkek#1581on Dec 20, 2024, 8:02:57 PM
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Just wanna throw this into the ring, not sure if someone has.
What IF the feedback and view of veterans is too biased and narrow coming from vears of PoE1?
SOME, not all, of the feedback from veterans sounded to me like they want this game to be more like PoE1 and i would dislike to see that happening. The gameplay and systems now are very relaxed and easy to digest and i am glad to not have the clusterfuck of chisel, alch, vaal, sextant, scarab etc. I think the general approach here is well done although, yes, they might add all that crap in here as well.
Have a good day!
Hi !
There is no such thing as "wanting to be more like PoE1".
The point is that PoE2, no matter at what point it starts on the scale, will end up the same way after leagues of content added at each iteration.
It's easy to digest for now, only because this is bare bones, and we all start from 0. It's not meant to last, by design.
Have a good day too!
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Posted byrob_korn#1745on Dec 20, 2024, 8:03:55 PM
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What's all the fuzz about? People demand campaign skips? Not happening, it's not D4. Removing honor from Sekhema? Not happening since it's central to mechanics.
"We wanted PoE2" they say while expecting it to be something they jump in and destroy first try? What's the point of such a "sequel"? PoE 2 is different in many aspects, requires you to learn to get good at. But some self-proclaimed veterans got reality checked. They're bad at the game and think GGG gotta make them feel good about themselves somehow. Maybe you should challenge yourself instead of crying?
So much drama. Especially funny to see it from grown men. :D
lol daaaamn. I agree with you. POE 1 'vets' getting skill checked and raging on the forums demanding the game be changed is pretty funny.
Nobody was expecting that because, you know, poe 1 is also hard. People knew that the game supposed to kick your butt if you dont know the challenge ahead and the tools provided, and a majority of them shouldve endured this challenge. I think almost everyone at their first playthrough in poe1 got their butt kicked somewhere around a3 AT BEST cuz the game required a bit different from other titles playstyle and game systems understanding other than common archetypes.
But when someone tries to give some logic about "why that feels wrong from an arpg player perspective" and all they get back is get good and "ye are skillchecked" is actually hurting feedback section cuz feedback from most devoted/experienced in a previous installment audience should not be left unattended. The OP was trying to defend them, it mightve backfired without any repeat of the issues in the opening post, but thats doesnt nullify his right to be angry for dev silence, even if it will lead to nothing and he simply wasted breath, even if you and devs think that they shouldnt even bother. If he and vets are wrong - the ship will keep sailing, but with feedback and gathered metrics GGG can start to change things.
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Posted byQuerker#1809on Dec 20, 2024, 8:04:27 PM
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Just wanna throw this into the ring, not sure if someone has.
What IF the feedback and view of veterans is too biased and narrow coming from vears of PoE1?
SOME, not all, of the feedback from veterans sounded to me like they want this game to be more like PoE1 and i would dislike to see that happening. The gameplay and systems now are very relaxed and easy to digest and i am glad to not have the clusterfuck of chisel, alch, vaal, sextant, scarab etc. I think the general approach here is well done although, yes, they might add all that crap in here as well.
Have a good day!
Hi !
There is no such thing as "wanting to be more like PoE1".
The point is that PoE2, no matter at what point it starts on the scale, will end up the same way after leagues of content added at each iteration.
It's easy to digest for now, only because this is bare bones, and we all start from 0. It's not meant to last, by design.
Have a good day too!
The hilarious thing is, it's already turned into PoE 1 with all the meta builds out there lmao, tft server already having dedicated channels for boss carries in softcore, and best of all: the moment the first real league launches and its f2p everyone will copy-paste the hell out of those meta builds. Because playing the best,strongest builds simply feels good.
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Posted byToforto#2372on Dec 20, 2024, 8:05:54 PM
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Nearly every POE1 veteran that posts a thread about issues with the longevity of POE2 is a long term POE1 veteran. They have played many leagues, some of them have played nearly all leagues. They have seen mechanics like crafting iterated on and they keep coming back. These are the people that made POE2 possible by their financial support of GGG. They are offering considered feedback based on thousands of cumulative hours of playtime in POE1 and are being hate trolled to death by newcomers to this game and often genre. That is pretty par for the internet but the fact that GGG is not responding to our concerns is troubling.
The game that the newcomers want wont survive. As many veterans have pointed out a massive super long campaign, busted crafting system that is little more than a sadistic RNG generator and other issues will limit the longevity of the game.
Need proof? I can prove it in 2 days. Just reset the server like a new league. Add a class to the game and reset. All of those newcomers are going to throw an absolute tantrum. The old veterans are going to sagely nod and say "yep, now you get it."
POE2 wont survive a dozen years like POE1 because people who want to play and support the company are not going to slog through this mire that makes ruthless feel easy (I went back to my ruthless char to get some achievements and it felt easy).
To GGG,
Ignore us at your own peril. The issues, and often fixes, are all over this forum posted by veterans with evidence and discussion often trolled by the "git gud" crowd of newcomers offering no actual content in their emotion laden replies. Almost every POE1 veteran and streamer I see has SERIOUS concerns. If you want to expand the audience rather than replace it for one that buys one MTX and leaves, there is a TON of work to do with this game and if you don't intend to listen to the players that made the game a success then I think whoever is making these decisions at GGG is possibly not right for this role. Copying Diablo IV or dark souls isn't going to make this game a success. Those games are another animal and the wrong audience.
The newcomers don't get it but they will when they have to run the campaign for the third time starting all over. Then they will just leave, numbers will plummet and they wont come back.
What about me? If the game is released in this state I will probably use the few hours I have to play games in POE1. If you shut down POE1 without fixing POE2 I will just stop playing your game.
For the first time in a dozen years I feel like GGG could care less what we have to say and that is bothersome.
-- Sincerely
-- A supporter that has given your company nearly $1200 over the 10 years.
Agreed. The core design philosophies they implemented into this game are a disaster, and a massive spit in the face to every PoE1 player who spent hundreds or even thousands of hours on the original game. They either don't know what kind of game we like, and want, and hoped PoE2 would be, or they want to replace us with the low-IQ mobile gamer-type who will spend a large amount of money playing the game for a few weeks or months before moving on to another trash-tier game with an in-game store to buy cosmetics from in order to feel superior to players who don't spend as much money as they do. They'll get a lot of money over a short period of time, and then the game will burn out and die. It's the business model of people who don't care about their product--only about their short-term profits.
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