The Palpable and Uninformed Hate and Dismissal of POE1 Veterans Sounding the Alarm is Worrying

This game is a waste of energy.

I would play d2 lod over this any second and in fact do.


This isn't a successor to anything except to pay homage by cosplaying as blizzard north as they died and got swallowed by other corporate interests.
GGG shills in full force.

Off to play anything else. Maybe EA I heard they are producing some shit too.

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hboi#6131 wrote:

It's not going to die. It's going to be way more successful then poe1. It already is way more successful. There's a reason why almost nobody played the first one. Stop trying to make the sequel to D2 like the game that only appeals to a niche group of people.

Are you in the upper tier end game by now? In case not, let me inform you that PoE2 is closer to PoE1 than ever in the end game, just with an added rogue like mechanic and a bit less move speed. People are cheesing your "souls-like" bosses in less than 10 seconds and the loot bonanza is PoE1-like - just now you don't need the skills to do juiced up maps, you just need the correct build with a stack of rarity gear.

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hboi#6131 wrote:

You're not special because you have 6k hours in poe. This game is not a sequel to poe. It is a spiritual successor to D2. Nobody wants another poe1. The core concept got lost along the way.

The faster you realize this and return to where you came from. The happier you will be.

Maybe you should use your eyes and brain...

The game name is poe2. This should already be enough ... but for you some help in thinking:

- Do you see the classes and ascendancy classes? poe1 or d2?
- Do you see the skill tree, atlas tree, endgame? Poe1 or d2?
- Do you see league mechanics like ultimatum, breach, essences? Poe1 or d2?
- Skills from gems or from skill tree?
- Even a lot of uniques are copied from poe1

They are even posting (and you too) in poe1 forum and at the poe1 website...
Thats because it's a complete new game that shouldnt have anything to do with poe1?

I'm sure this is senseless because posting like you means you live in your own world ...

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Pathological#1188 wrote:

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Rabarbar_Lichy#7553 wrote:

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

Only in PoE will someone who needs to be told by noobs to git gud call themselves a veteran and pride themselves on sucking at the game they're a "veteran" at.

And only in PoE will someone who professionally hates on a company's product call himself a "supporter", while bashing those who enjoy the product and actively dragging it through the mud and review bombing it for 3 weeks straight, while still boasting about how much money they spent only so they can professionally hate ("support") the company.

Make it make sense.

Good post

By good post, you mean atrociously bad post, right?

Veterans are vocal about what is hard or doesn't work in the game because those particular things are not fun in a longevical sense, and we know that from historical context; not because they can't do it generally. The "noobs" in this discussion telling veterans to get good aren't actually good, and the veterans aren't actually struggling. Take a cross section of each player cohort and see where they are at in terms of skill level, progress in the game, etc - I guarantee you the average veteran is far ahead of the average noob.

As per usual, giving negative feedback and "review bombing" (otherwise known as reviewing but you disagree with me) are the only effective ways to affect change in the product, so that is what we do. Again; historical evidence has already shown us that this is what works, this is how GGG functions. People who've been here through the process of PoE1 know this. People new to GGG and PoE lack historical context and insert themselves into the discussion on the basis of that missing context, and look a bit foolish in the process. That's fine, it is what it is, but make no mistake - most of those people will fall away, and it will be mostly the same cohort at the end of the day that was there through PoE1 pushing rocks uphill against GGG's vision.

No I meant good post.

I saw countless complaints about how you can't play and watch a show the same time in PoE 2. Multiple threads on how terrible zones and boss reset is. Million comments how this game is a soulslike, despite being 100x easier and not a soulslike at all. A thread from a self identifited veteran, complaining about boss on the beach being too hard, not to even mention a chceckpoint 3m away from him. People saying a single portal is like hardcore, because they loose map and progress.

There is a significant portion of this playerbase that is quite frankly shockingly bad at playing actual games, and it is a very vocal part, demanding participation trophy level gameplay back, and yes whining that "newcomers" (or maybe other veterans who liked the game, just not the participation trophy aspect of it) tell them to L2P git gud. It is funny and good observation.

Negative feedback, that wasn't it, it's mass hysteria worthy of $100 full release, not first 3 weeks of year or sth long $30 early access, and a desperate attempt to make them change the game fundamentals. Which, imo, since it's not made to be this way, would only turn into a grotesque hybrid of the vision with the zoom asap, good at nothing, and maybe already happening after the loot patch.

And yes, people forced GGG by crying to the heavens to turn it into game they didn't really want, as evidenced by this sequel. But, what if they're right, and it's the div/h veterans being foolish, that this sequel is a game that would draw, let's say, Diablo 4 playerbase, make millions and maybe even allow them to build the veterans their perfect click to genocide nirvana on the foundation of 1. But no, veterans know better and they funded the game. The ego behind the statements, you know how GGG functions, you know you have to make them do things, OPs "ignore us at your own peril", countless "this game will fail, not reatin, 2 leagues and dead" unless /insert personal complaint about affix on pants/. I always thought "listen to playerbase" is a cancer to gaming (like large enough playerbase was ever unified about sth), but here with the entitlement of the money invested, it's imo much worse. You want game development as a democracy, some mass by mass produced consensus, sure, and yes the format kind of invites that, but still, it's no good.

So yes good funny post.

I've made upwards of 8 forum posts, being either feedback or bug reports, and received ZERO responses or feedback on any of them. I've also sent two emails regarding ongoing bugs with whispers between me and guild members, and again gotten no responses.

GGG isn't listening.

I have 1-2k hours in PoE1, and already numerous DAYS logged into PoE2.

I deserve better.

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Shammikaze#5042 wrote:

I've made upwards of 8 forum posts, being either feedback or bug reports, and received ZERO responses or feedback on any of them. I've also sent two emails regarding ongoing bugs with whispers between me and guild members, and again gotten no responses.

GGG isn't listening.

I have 1-2k hours in PoE1, and already numerous DAYS logged into PoE2.

I deserve better.

They pretty openly said they are on holiday for the holiday season. You will not hear anything from them for some time yet.

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AnimePillowCollector#2255 wrote:

They pretty openly said they are on holiday for the holiday season. You will not hear anything from them for some time yet.

Except they bothered to respond to some guy complaining about getting banned for breaking the community rules by being toxic in chat yesterday.

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Kashou#2868 wrote:

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

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Maldosam#3663 wrote:

yeeaaaah... I guess I will leave at that. Thank you for your time :D

Edit: I went back and read your entire post. It doesn't get any better really, so stopping at those first paragraphs was the right call... Have a nice day.

You have merit in what you say about people coming back and playing casually. Lots of people do it.

But you also have to acknowledge, that many of the systems in the game for the top 5% of players, are actively detrimental to the quality of the game. Even for these casuals.

Which is why they aren't playing more regularly. Which is why, the game fails to retain players. Lots of people quit after not even 100 hours.


You can call my post crap, but you sat there and argued a point I wasn't even talking about. I never said people couldn't play the game casually. I never said PoE was failing.

I simply said. It's a bad game for casuals. Once you're past the acts. The rest of the game is awful for them. Most of the systems in place, actively scare them away. We shouldn't be balancing the game around what 5% of the playerbase wants. PoE 1 veterans should have a say in some things, but they're expecting the game to be much the same as PoE 1 at this point.

Systems are not really a problem for casuals. Casuals like making a cool character and playing for a while. In PoE1 you cannot make a cool character and play for a while unless your idea of "cool" has nothing to do with class fantasy or themes and is all about projectiles on the screen.

Question. Why do we need crafting in PoE 2, when we can just improve loot drops?

Question. Why do Casual players have to stop playing? You realize that if a game is good. People will join and play regularly, right? It's funny that so many games maintain a huge casual playerbase. But then here's PoE, where everyone quits as soon as they hit 70-80. And that's somehow desirable?

Explain.

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

They have no obligation to polish it up so that you can play it in your free time right now.

You're wrong. The steam player count dropped 100.000 players in one week. The more people go, the less feedback is available. As long as the insane amount of punishment stays up, the more people like me don't consider revisiting PoE2.

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AngryGekko#0233 wrote:

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

They have no obligation to polish it up so that you can play it in your free time right now.

You're wrong. The steam player count dropped 100.000 players in one week. The more people go, the less feedback is available. As long as the insane amount of punishment stays up, the more people like me don't consider revisiting PoE2.

Yeah, I'm not wrong.

That's what happens to video games. They lose players over time. The game still has more than enough players for good feedback. It is also not just on steam, but with the launcher as well. Steam numbers aren't indicative of the true amount of players.

It's also Christmas, Early-access. Tons of people stop playing for a variety of reasons.

Take that as a sign that you need to find other hobbies or interests to pursue in life, and take time to find one. Instead of spending it online crying about how GGG doesn't have a game for you to play during Christmas break.


You are being completely unreasonable with GGG, yourself, and the game. If you think 2 weeks after an Early Access launch, that the game should be polished enough for your tastes and desires.

If you decide to leave the game because of Early-access. Then you went in with expectations that are completely unreasonable. That's on you, and good riddance.

Get real, and go find another hobby to enjoy. Come back in 2 months and test the game again.

Early Access is literally just another phrase for "Work in progress".