75% less flask charges is insane

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ThanatoZGaming wrote:
Yes, because we all want to watch some rambling 10 minute YouTube video to get the "point." Someone out there is desperate for clicks.


To restrain my self from calling you names ill just ignore your further posts.

Video in the link is timestamped, you just have to click it.

bye
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goetzjam wrote:
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Friagram wrote:
Kill faster, or use your flasks more wisely.
IMO they should remove flasks and go with life/mana/rejuv only.


Essentially only one step from that. If flask can't be relied upon then that is exactly what they are buffs that maybe you do have, but you cant rely upon them.

Use flask more wisely, you clearly don't even play the game if you think that defensive wise the game is perfectly fine without utility flask of any kind. I challenge you to do everything in the game with only life\mana and come back to me and tell me how great your experience was.



Kill faster, in standard, with an insanely fast clear build. 50% flask charge map mod and you can tell that most builds are going to struggle greatly with flask charges at 75%. Also kill faster in the same patch they are nerfing everyones damage? Nice joke man.


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It certainly felt like it back when I used to try and do it. I was in a brace for many months and had to do physical therapy for a year to recover from PoE's flask-as-a-permanent-fixture system.




Have cleared all of the hardest content in the game on trash characters without any flask use (necromancer, ez).

Have cleared all bosses in the game with default attack build or 1 link (slow but not impossible (except atizi + maven [Removed by Support]


You want 1 character to be able to do all content?
Make one for bossing, and one for mapping, and switch.
The game is easy. If I can build a league character and kill uber elder, maven, and catarina with a 4-link setup, and you struggle with 6 links, you're playing wrong.

I don't know what to tell you other than get good. It's serious because the game is not hard. Gear makes it more comfortable, but the mechanics don't prevent any fight from being lost except in extreme situations (aul, deep delve, etc). Craft the maps around your build, and do the content you're able to do until you can get good enough to do it all.

Make your own builds, and understand the mechanics, skill tree, and items.
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Last edited by Al_GGG#0000 on Jul 23, 2021, 9:27:45 PM
Flask changes alone I am happy with. Overall balance shift I am fearful for, as always, but we will see.

While I did a few flask dependent builds in the past I try to minimize reliance on flasks precisely because I hate straining my hand and the alternative is against TOS.

So why I am happy with nerfs to the playstyle I don't enjoy? The answer is simple. Because single broken mechanic can cover up for major balance design flaws. If with the flasks nerfed game turns out to be far less playable it just means that there are other problems beneath this layer.

Game should be playable with or without heavy flasks usage. Like with map mods disabling regen, reflecting damage, or nerfing resists - game might be harder but shouldn't be unplayable.

Though now that I think about flasks nerf and no-regen mod.... well, I can't say I expect GGG to think this far ahead but I hope it will get fixed fast if need be.
Um...isnt that the entire point?
I think you'll still be able to invest in charges gained on medium clusters and in the ranger area.


Plus, I think once the balance manifesto is out, there might be no great defensive utility flasks left for people to want to spam them.

Basalt flask got crushed, for example.


There's just going to be a more pronounced shift to defensive things imo. Ensuring cry, endurance charges, ailment duration, non-trivial amounts of evasion and armour.


And crit builds that are in that ~50% crit sweet breakpoint area...might want to consider using focus craft on their belt to supplement their diamond flask.
I'm gonna post these here. We did several endgame fights with maven on awakening 9 and all that good stuff.

We're using our normal gear.
We are using 1 link on our skill gems doing ~ 1-2m dps each.
We're not using any dps flasks.

We're by no means experts at any of these fights, but with a little practice it became easier each time. We were able to even do shaper+maven and normal elder+maven with auto attack (no skill)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091275936 Shaper-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091276427 Atziri-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091276836 UberElder-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091277189 Cortex-Maven
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Friagram wrote:
I'm gonna post these here. We did several endgame fights with maven on awakening 9 and all that good stuff.

We're using our normal gear.
We are using 1 link on our skill gems doing ~ 1-2m dps each.
We're not using any dps flasks.

We're by no means experts at any of these fights, but with a little practice it became easier each time. We were able to even do shaper+maven and normal elder+maven with auto attack (no skill)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091275936 Shaper-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091276427 Atziri-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091276836 UberElder-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091277189 Cortex-Maven




cute...

With one of the best bows in PoE ever made you are trying to make some point with here?
Last edited by TorsteinTheFallen#1295 on Jul 19, 2021, 3:48:59 AM
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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:
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Friagram wrote:
I'm gonna post these here. We did several endgame fights with maven on awakening 9 and all that good stuff.

We're using our normal gear.
We are using 1 link on our skill gems doing ~ 1-2m dps each.
We're not using any dps flasks.

We're by no means experts at any of these fights, but with a little practice it became easier each time. We were able to even do shaper+maven and normal elder+maven with auto attack (no skill)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091275936 Shaper-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091276427 Atziri-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091276836 UberElder-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091277189 Cortex-Maven




cute...

With one of the best bows in PoE ever made you are trying to make some point with here?


What's your point here? There are no support gems.
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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:
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Friagram wrote:
I'm gonna post these here. We did several endgame fights with maven on awakening 9 and all that good stuff.

We're using our normal gear.
We are using 1 link on our skill gems doing ~ 1-2m dps each.
We're not using any dps flasks.

We're by no means experts at any of these fights, but with a little practice it became easier each time. We were able to even do shaper+maven and normal elder+maven with auto attack (no skill)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091275936 Shaper-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091276427 Atziri-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091276836 UberElder-Maven
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1091277189 Cortex-Maven




cute...

With one of the best bows in PoE ever made you are trying to make some point with here?
holy smokes that bow....
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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:
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Friagram wrote:
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cute...

With one of the best bows in PoE ever made you are trying to make some point with here?


Good job pointing it out. It seemed like a steaming pile of .... so I didn't even bother researching it.

It feels like listening to a financial advice form a kid who got a house, a car and a stacked college fund account from his parents on 18th birthday.


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respon wrote:
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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:
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Friagram wrote:
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cute...

With one of the best bows in PoE ever made you are trying to make some point with here?


Good job pointing it out. It seemed like a steaming pile of .... so I didn't even bother researching it.

It feels like listening to a financial advice form a kid who got a house, a car and a stacked college fund account from his parents on 18th birthday.




Except I played the game and bought it myself, with my own currency.
Anyway, 1-2mdps is 1-2m dps.
FFS watch the shaper video and just see how long it takes us to kill the trash before facing shaper.

You could get much better dps than I am outputting with a death's opus and a 5 link. A budget bow build will easily net you 10m+ dps. Hell, builds with elemental hit will land you 30-50m with little investment.

Perhaps this is the problem. You kids think the gear makes you good, and it doesn't. Even with my zomgallmirrortiergier, atziri still 1 shots me. You have to dodge the stuff.

I could just normally kill her in 1 barrage before she does a single attack and bypass the entire fight, which is stupid.
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