Is it just me or is Evasion complete garbage?

Looking at your profile, you don't even have a character that has reached endgame yet, let alone a fully built evasion character. Unless you are playing on another profile, you don't know what you are talking about.

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Altnaharra wrote:

Iron reflexes isn't as strong as a mix of armour/evasion+ blind.
*As mentioned before, nothing is as good as manual avoidance.

I'd rather have the 30k shield to buffer against metamorph bosses. There's no such thing as manually avoiding instagib attacks when a lot of them aren't even telegraphed in any way.

Literally sometimes when I fight these guys, one moment I'm perfectly fine, then the next moment, I lose 10k on my vms shield randomly. No visible projectiles, nothing bad on the ground that I'm standing on, the boss isn't even in melee range of me. It chops off 10k hp just like that.

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NexiieQT wrote:

Looking at your profile

Bad way to judge someone.

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yamface wrote:

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Altnaharra wrote:

Iron reflexes isn't as strong as a mix of armour/evasion+ blind.
*As mentioned before, nothing is as good as manual avoidance.

I'd rather have the 30k shield to buffer against metamorph bosses. There's no such thing as manually avoiding instagib attacks when a lot of them aren't even telegraphed in any way.

Literally sometimes when I fight these guys, one moment I'm perfectly fine, then the next moment, I lose 10k on my vms shield randomly. No visible projectiles, nothing bad on the ground that I'm standing on, the boss isn't even in melee range of me. It chops off 10k hp just like that.

It maybe good to start recording such occurences and e-mailing links to videos to GGG support. That way at least HC would be much more polished.

I play enough rangers to know evasion is useless nowadays without cast on damage taken with steelskin.

Nowadays, you will need steelskin to buffer of the damage or the damage taken will be insane. Although I can never understand the steelskin mechanics.

With steelskin, somehow 5k damage will be recorded as 500-1k damage from the same mob. Without steelskin, you take 5k damage. It isn't 70% of the damage. Likewise, molten shell also absorbs more damage than without.

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NexiieQT wrote:

Looking at your profile, you don't even have a character that has reached endgame yet, let alone a fully built evasion character. Unless you are playing on another profile, you don't know what you are talking about.

It appears that you're directing this post at someone that has one character in their profile that is level 4. Which is what your post seems to be based on. However, on the other hand. They joined PoE in 2011. They have challenges and achievements completed far beyond a level 4 character. So they obviously routinely delete their characters when done playing that character.

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Altnaharra wrote:

It was commented earlier that blind gives you a 50% flat dmg reduction 'basically', that is far from correct, it lowers the mobs accuracy by 50%, that doesn't mean its +50% bonus evasion.. it is going to change from mob to mob.

Blind makes them miss half their attacks, if you have no evade 50% is exactly what it does. Like i wouldn't say describe it as 50% flat dmg reduction either but your own description is just as wrong :p

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Altnaharra wrote:

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NexiieQT wrote:

Looking at your profile, you don't even have a character that has reached endgame yet, let alone a fully built evasion character. Unless you are playing on another profile, you don't know what you are talking about.

Looking at your profile I see you only play standard, let alone you play necro. Unless you are playing on another profile, you don't know what you are talking about.

Useless comment.

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KidKryptonite wrote:

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NexiieQT wrote:

Looking at your profile

Bad way to judge someone.

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Firstly, my post was directed at OP, not you. Secondly I don't play standard, unless you mean softcore, which to my defense, OP did not mention in the context of hardcore. By default, PoE is mostly centered around softcore, that's what large majority of players including OP himself plays in. If OP talked about defense in HC, I would less likely to comment about it. But still, OP comes in and say evasion doesn't work, fine but I expect it to come with some form of data or experiment, or at least comes from a player that has experienced endgame content enough to know what works well and what doesn't, to give their personal experience/insight to it.

Also, I don't just play necro, I play other classes too, on MSSF, including evasion character, and I've beaten Uber Elder there. Anecdotally, I actually do agree that evasion by itself is relatively weak in 3.9 but I wouldn't call it completely garbage like OP, hence my rather aggressive post earlier. I'm sorry.

This league I have a 92 Ice Shot character and a 92 icicle mine character with equally OP gear. The Ice Shot char has more evasion and has phase acrobatics. It can toe to toe in Delve 150=200ish and the miner can not.

This is my anecdotal evidence that evasion works.

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Phrazz wrote:

No, it's not. It's the nature of bad evasion builds, without layers of defenses.

Stop playing semantics. It's boring. I was referring to evasion and only evasion, but you know that. Here, Ket me quote my self for you, seeing how you have a hard time reading:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

Evasion alone isn't so great. Evasion+ Trickster+ES is great. Evasion+Dodge+ block is great, etc. It's a piece of a puzzle, not the whole puzzle.

You are pointing out the obvious. I say evasion alone is bad, and you pipe up no, only bad evasion builds are bad. Gimme a break. Evasion alone, and dying to one shots IS in fact the nature of evasion. It happens. It's terrible.
Is it good combined with other layers of defense? Duh.