Is this diablo 3 all over again?

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Dr1MaR wrote:

...I meant future D4, assuming blizzard learnt from their own mistakes and GGG s mistakes. Something tells me D4 is not going to be a soulless gameplayless grind like Poe is. Poe is nothing but a loot simulator, no need to position character, no need to think what button to press next, like I m playing wow classic atm(I know it s an mmo but still) there are so many things you can do in combat, it s so diverse. What Poe has to offer? Nothing but hold 1 button watch enemy dissa pear from the screen like it s nothing but a bunch of sprites drawn together and it s just there to provide you free loot and free xp...

/sigh

The forum ate my post. Oh well, it was kind of long and detailed some points about D3, coming from a very experienced D3 player and ladder-climber, and contrasted some game experience differences between D3 and PoE. It also pointed out some issues that make D3's end-game progression pretty problematic... But, oh well. Grats GGG for picking forum software that prefers its cookies more than active memeory... stupid pos..

Anyway, some highlights:

It sounds like you're a bit burned out. So, go ahead and enjoy some other games! "Game Rotation" is important for gamers and you should do it. Recognize when you're getting a bit burned out on the same repetitive gameplay and are no longer excited about the game's content and go play something else when that happens. Return when you can feel yourself looking forward to revisiting PoE again.

D3 is a mess at "End Game." It can still be fun, but if one is truly playing "End Game Diablo 3" then one is a Seasonal Ladder runner. And, hopefully, one is doing that with a friend or three. Solo? No way. There wasn't one end-game ladder runner at the top in every Season that I played that wasn't running with at least one 4-player team to get mats. Zero. And, for those that only ran with two or three, they would frequently be found in the 4-player teams on mat runs.

For the leaders, one could frequently check their gear and find hacked crap. For others, it might often be broken items/synergies Blizzard hadn't bothered to patch out. Others would have tried to hide their cheats, but there's only so many primals one can get in xx amount of time without dupes/hacks/cheats. If you're trying to compete in a fair contest with others, D3 is not the place to go. But, that's it's "End Game." That's it.

For PoE - Builds can be overpowered and far outside of anything rationally considered "Balanced." But, that usually relies on specific gear that's difficult to obtain for most players. Once one figures out all the mechanics and crafting possibilities in the game, it's much easier to get those items and the currency necessary. But, for most players, it's all about "The Grind." And, if you're not intimately familiar with all the available ways to get those necessary items and don't have the time to "Brute Force" your gear collection? You're not going anywhere near the "End Game" in PoE unless you're running a build that is destined for the almighty Nerf Bat patch.

Instead of picking a build based on winning the game progression, pick a build that is competent and can do everything you want to do, but provides a new playstyle that you think you would like to play.

PS - Neither game is perfect. D3 is much better for multiplaying gaming that PoE ever thought about being. There, Blizzard clearly wins. PoE is much better for it's variety of playstyles and mechanics as well as different game experiences. But, it sucks rocks in terms of "multiplayer."

GGG does not rely on subscriptions or new purchase financing models to reflect its success... It's all about the in-game purchases and GGG does not need an expanding player-base to generate the necessary income. It's something they'd want to have, but it's not directly incentivized in their model.

Nevermind,,, gonna take my own advice.

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Phaeded wrote:

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

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Phaeded wrote:

I wouldn't bother proving yourself. You can’t win an argument with someone when their every comeback is yet another version of a “no true Scotsman” fallacy. Not worth debating with people like that.

That's not what that means. I don't think you even read any of this and are just saying things.

He said he made top grift build in Diablo. I said I have trouble believing that's true. If you're just sticking together the things that were made to go together it's not making a build.

Learn the words you try to use.

I read the entire thread actually. Every post. And yes, you are using that fallacy, as are at least two other posters. Not my fault if you don’t see it. But please, continue the discussion. I’ve enjoyed it until now.

Explain how. Because nobody has done anything even sort of similar to that. You clearly have absolutely no clue what you're saying right now. It's actually fucking hilarious.

Edit: vvv Lulz, still no. I've been making the exact same point the entire time.

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

Explain how.

You’re right in your case I suppose. Wrong fallacy. It’s more of a “moving the goalposts” issue with you, another no-win debate. However, if you’d like me to explain the two posts that definitely used the No True Scotsman derived fallacy I can PM it to you. In any case, I’m going back to just observing this discussion so enjoy.

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

Says you've been inactive for too long so I can't view the character. I have a lot of trouble believing if I could, you wouldn't have a six piece set and a bunch of items with the same skill in their affix though.

Log in to your account on there so I can see it.

In D3 you cannot hide builds (like POE) due to character preview so you really need to wait until the last 2 days to push GRift rankings. People only took note when I took the top rank due to the global annoucement. By that time, the Ladder was closing and it was too late for anyone to beat my rank.

The game is in the past and would stay in the past but nevertheless some old links.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/topic/20742714416?page=1 - When I introduced the build. Furious charge was the meta gameplay then using Raekor 4 / Immortal King 2. I went full Raekor 6 with boulder toss.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/topic/20743544447?page=1 - When I got #1 on the Ladder. A differential of 3 GRift levels at the very top end is massive.

Frankly I don't need to prove anything as rankings don't lie. To attain #1 in any game, you need to either have either 1337 gaming skill reflexes OR you need to theory craft a build that no one has done and is able to exploit the content as it is. And I have average gaming skills.

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Phaeded wrote:

I wouldn't bother proving yourself. You can’t win an argument with someone when their every comeback is yet another version of a “no true Scotsman” fallacy. Not worth debating with people like that.

You are right. There would be no satisfying some posters. That said, I survived D3 general discussion forms and you got some serious trollers there.

If we debate about gameplay balance here i'd say this is worse than diablo.

When you stop playing practice leagues you can talk.

real G's made 100 in 4 days in SSFHC - your not even 100 yet let alone HC

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DAKKONx wrote:

Frankly I don't need to prove anything as rankings don't lie. To attain #1 in any game, you need to either have either 1337 gaming skill reflexes OR you need to theory craft a build that no one has done and is able to exploit the content as it is. And I have average gaming skills.

Good thing I didn't say you were lying about the ranking. I said you were lying about doing it with a custom build, which you were. You used the preset that was built into the game, then grinded better rolls and more paragon.

And no you do not need good reflexes at all to push high in grifts. You need to grind hard and hope you don't get the ghosts that auto hit to spawn.

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TreeOfDead wrote:

poe needed qol and qol

Yup. I honestly can't handle poe anymore. There is no real qol whatsoever. I'll stick to grim dawn thanks.

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

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DAKKONx wrote:

Frankly I don't need to prove anything as rankings don't lie. To attain #1 in any game, you need to either have either 1337 gaming skill reflexes OR you need to theory craft a build that no one has done and is able to exploit the content as it is. And I have average gaming skills.

Good thing I didn't say you were lying about the ranking. I said you were lying about doing it with a custom build, which you were. You used the preset that was built into the game, then grinded better rolls and more paragon.

And no you do not need good reflexes at all to push high in grifts. You need to grind hard and hope you don't get the ghosts that auto hit to spawn.

You need more reflexes than you do in PoE. You actually have to use your entire skillset, too. Its not RTS/MobA/FPS level of reflexes, but for all D3's faults, its heavy on the "Action" part of Arpg.

And if I remember correctly from earlier in the thread, you havent even did Grifts so how do you know? You said you got to torment 10 and quit.

And I dont know how anyone can flame D3 for being easier than PoE when builds like Righteous Fire, Totem builds, and Summoner builds exist. You actually dont even play the game with those builds. Its almost the equivalent of an incremental game at that point, where you just stand around and collect loot. I imagine you have never even played any of those builds either, since you told me I was lying when I explained my current RF playstyle.

If you actually believe PoE is harder, please go build one of those 3 and come back to me and tell me what you think, lol. Totems especially. Hell, if you make a chieftan or Champion, the damn totems taunt for god's sake. RF at least gets gear checked and has some map mod issues. Totems you just slap in there and go. Cast a totem, stand around.

D3 has its faults, but the actual gameplay isnt it. It just has zero depth to it, like you said about the builds. But you do have to dodge stuff from every rare pack, you gotta use all your skills, and you actually have to "play" the game. Again, its heavy on the Action part of Arpg, where PoE is heavier on the RPG part of Arpg. D3 is MLB The Show, PoE is Out of the Park baseball.