please end mystery boxes (loot boxes, glorified gambling)

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AceNightfire wrote:

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ajo wrote:

If we focus on kill and loot, having a larger stash is still beneficial because it allows you to use the vendor recepies to the fullest.

And guess what? Picking up rare items and stashing them in your storage and picking them up later to vendor them consumes alot of time. I mean, really alot. Someone who doesnt care for these recipes doesnt need to pick those items up, his lootfilter is more specific and therefore that guy will have more play time, will clear maps faster and will progress faster into high tier maps. And there is the big loot.

There is a GOOD reason why pro gamers are rich, even before they could sell ANYTHING, since the casual players dont have any currency to buy anything at all. Pro players dont get rich thanks to storage tabs, they get rich thanks to fast clear speed and a very fast progress in the game.

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Slaanesh69 wrote:

I am saying stash tabs are convenient and not pay to win. Read the argument above mine to put it in context. Sickness feels that the premium tabs increase your trade potential and therefore currency gain and so are P2W. I don't disagree with this sentiment, although I look at this game through the lens of kill and loot rather than the trade game so there are some perspective differences here.

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Slaanesh69 wrote:

With stash tabs I say you start with 4, you can pay for more, which makes playing the game more CONVENIENT but does not extend a specific advantage within the gameplay over other players.

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Sickness wrote:

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Slaanesh69 wrote:

I am saying stash tabs are convenient and not pay to win. Read the argument above mine to put it in context. Sickness feels that the premium tabs increase your trade potential and therefore currency gain and so are P2W. I don't disagree with this sentiment, although I look at this game through the lens of kill and loot rather than the trade game so there are some perspective differences here.

That your "lense" ignores reality doesnt actually change reality. Trading is a reality.
By your logic you could as well say that selling spell damage boosts are not p2w because I only play melee.

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Slaanesh69 wrote:

With stash tabs I say you start with 4, you can pay for more, which makes playing the game more CONVENIENT but does not extend a specific advantage within the gameplay over other players.

Getting currency at an increased rate is an advantage. No amount of waffling Will change that.

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UlfgardLeo wrote:

I haven't read all those pages and the last two are kind of off-topic.

Did we agree that loot-boxes are praying on peoples weaknesses and abuse psychological biases(dopamine rush/ sunken cost fallacy) which can push a vulnerable group into bankruptcy? Or did the side win that argued that everyone is responsible for themselves?

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AceNightfire wrote:

Also lets not forget: The moment you start trading with someone can take as much time as clearing half a map. The item you trade must be worth at least some C, because clearing a half high tier map will probably result in a better gain per time investment. Pro gamers wont sell 0815 items that are only worth 1C, its simply not worth their time. And if you're only selling stuff that's worth like 5c+, you wont probably not sell much on a shop anyway. And that's why I think it's right to say that stashtabs are convinient, but certainly not pay2win. It's just another (safer) way to make money, but surely not faster then clearing high tier maps non-stop. Take a look at the breach runners that let others leech EXP. One run often leads to an income worth of like 1 Exalted.

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Slaanesh69 wrote:

Okay, so you are a troll then. Very well, carry on. I don't disagree with arguing for the sake of arguing, I just won't participate any longer.

Cheers!

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Sickness wrote:

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Slaanesh69 wrote:

Okay, so you are a troll then. Very well, carry on. I don't disagree with arguing for the sake of arguing, I just won't participate any longer.

Cheers!

That is one way to handle fact and logic that conflicts with your preconceived notions, not a very healthy one though I think.

You are contradicting yourself at every step just to be able to claim that the game has no p2w elements. I understand that you really want it to be true, but trust me that accepting the truth will feel a lot better.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

I agree there are minors here. You have to be 21 to get into casinos because you have some self control by then but can gamble online at any age? WTH?

There should be a law in meantime GGG should have some scruples and not take advantage of gambling addiction. Especially from minors

Look I'm pretty libertarian except when it comes to people not fully developed like minors. Like I think prostitution should be legal but not childhood prostitution. So maybe they need an age verify system.

How do you determine developed? You just said minors but i've seen many minors more developed than a grown man addict and i've seen older men transfering their mind into a childs body then they should be doing the same as adults.

Is your definition of developed mind just taking age into account and assuming they are on average more developed? It's true they are but they are also more stubborn and whatever has manifested into their state of mind is stronger and plausible more disturbing i don't know what is worst. A child who stops gambling because he knows he can't get what he want's and feel content none the less or a grown old man who is clearly an addict that can't stop because he has manifested an ocd perfectionist collector mentality disorder of sort.