People are overreacting

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SilentStorm625 wrote:
Nop people are smart. They are not overreacting. The business world will consume this game. RIP


Yeah... I'm going to stick with overreacting.
I had a good laugh when people thinking PoE is based on generosity. Path of Exile is a product, made by a company called Grinding Gear Games. No matter how they say, you say, about "built upon generosity", its still a product made by company which seek profits. Look, the only way they able to make profits is by satisfying us, the consumer, regarding about whether mtx or contents. It is clear that pay-to-win model in PoE is a huge NO, and probably gonna make most of players quit if its implemented, which gonna make both Tencent and GGG lose profit. So be positive about it, be happy that GGG now able to propose alot more ideas and ask for financial support.
Money. Money never changes.
Yep, people are overreacting. There is no other way to spin it. Not really a surprise, just look at about every nerf, change, league, etc. announcement they have done. People always overreact with little to no basis on reality. I don't know if this will be good or bad for the game. However other games that have received investment from Tencent have not gotten worse or change to a different scheme.

Then again this forum =

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
Last edited by DS_Deadman#3546 on May 21, 2018, 12:04:09 PM
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Kastmar wrote:
Unfortunately greediness of GGG took over the cleverness.


I doubt it's pure greed, there must be much more behind the courtains.

IMO game grew too big, hence costly. Required more and more human and finacial resources, and is probably a headache to manage as well.

Another important factor is the business model. F2P is unforgiving, while PoE has always been on the "ethical" side of the spectrum in this aspect. Ethical = less profit.
There are just a few F2P games on the market able to keep on providing "ethical" attitude towards their players. Dota 2 is what comes up to my mind, and PoE. But while the former has all the tools to combine great profit with proper (ethical) attitude, the latter was struggling due to lack of resources, in my opinion - the financial backup, the right management, even the limitations set by the certain genre itself.

As you can see, ggg were forced to develop expansion after expansion and league after league in short terms, just to be more aggressive on the financial aspect. There must be issues, which we as players, know nothing about.

If we combine these, and spice it up with the last nail in the coffin - the financial failure the Bestiary was, it's more likely Mr. Wilson was like "enough is enough", hence Tencen.
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It's hard to overreact when someone clearly disagrees with the ownership of a company; particularly when this game revolves around support rooted in several factors which are now in jeopardy to include (1) the overall vision of GGG and (2) the support of an underdog or mom & pop type developer.

To the first part, supporting the overall vision of GGG. At best, GGG's vision will remain untouched and they continue about their business as usual. It is clearly too early to say if that is the case or not. GGG has only one thing they could say on this matter in the announcement: that it won't impact their development plans because admitting otherwise would be a terrible marketing move -- so it's not a good reference one way or the other. Only time will tell for certain, but keep reading....

I believe these two points do not live in a vacuum of each other. The 2nd point below will have a direct impact on GGG's ability to maintain their autonomy since no big corporation is in the business of losing money.

The second part, which I believe to be more important, is about supporting GGG and not a big company. GGG will not maintain their current popularity since you will lose some supporters simply due to their attachment to some E(vil) Corp. The drop in revenue will likely be permanent because that group will remain stubborn on the issue out of principle, and short of attracting players/whales who are open to throwing money to make up for the loss, you will see a net decrease in revenue for GGG.

When the 2nd point takes hold, I believe the first point will change. E(vil) Corp will inject themselves more into the equation in ways that we can't predict yet, but I suspect there is no good that will come from it.

I personally don't care. My time of supporting because of GGG alone has long since passed and if they manage to continue putting out a good product with a vision I agree with and enjoy, I'll support. That being said, I completely sympathize with those that do not want to support purely based upon the practices of a company. Although this is not one that I draw a line on (yet), I do for other companies that I disagree with something about the company or owners (Chik-Fil-A as an example for me).
Thanks for all the fish!
Last edited by Nubatron#4333 on May 21, 2018, 12:09:47 PM
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Nubatron wrote:
It's hard to overreact when someone clearly disagrees with the ownership of a company; particularly when this game revolves around support rooted in several factors which are now in jeopardy to include (1) the overall vision of GGG and (2) the support of an underdog or mom & pop type developer.

To the first part, supporting the overall vision of GGG. At best, GGG's vision will remain untouched and they continue about their business as usual. It is clearly too early to say if that is the case or not. GGG has only one thing they could say on this matter in the announcement: that it won't impact their development plans because admitting otherwise would be a terrible marketing move -- so it's not a good reference one way or the other. Only time will tell for certain, but keep reading....

I believe these two points do not live in a vacuum of each other. The 2nd point below will have a direct impact on GGG's ability to maintain their autonomy since no big corporation is in the business of losing money.

The second part, which I believe to be more important, is about supporting GGG and not a big company. GGG will not maintain their current popularity since you will lose some supporters simply due to their attachment to some E(vil) Corp. The drop in revenue will likely be permanent because that group will remain stubborn on the issue out of principle, and short of attracting players/whales who are open to throwing money to make up for the loss, you will see a net decrease in revenue for GGG.

When the 2nd point takes hold, I believe the first point will change. E(vil) Corp will inject themselves more into the equation in ways that we can't predict yet, but I suspect there is no good that will come from it.

I personally don't care. My time of supporting because of GGG alone has long since passed and if they manage to continue putting out a good product with a vision I agree with and enjoy, I'll support. That being said, I completely sympathize with those that do not want to support purely based upon the practices of a company. Although this is not one that I draw a line on (yet), I do for other companies that I disagree with something about the company or owners (Chik-Fil-A as an example for me).


Cool beans, saved me five minutes of writing and thinking.

Praise the nub \o/

Peace,

-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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Boem wrote:
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Nubatron wrote:
It's hard to overreact when someone clearly disagrees with the ownership of a company; particularly when this game revolves around support rooted in several factors which are now in jeopardy to include (1) the overall vision of GGG and (2) the support of an underdog or mom & pop type developer.

To the first part, supporting the overall vision of GGG. At best, GGG's vision will remain untouched and they continue about their business as usual. It is clearly too early to say if that is the case or not. GGG has only one thing they could say on this matter in the announcement: that it won't impact their development plans because admitting otherwise would be a terrible marketing move -- so it's not a good reference one way or the other. Only time will tell for certain, but keep reading....

I believe these two points do not live in a vacuum of each other. The 2nd point below will have a direct impact on GGG's ability to maintain their autonomy since no big corporation is in the business of losing money.

The second part, which I believe to be more important, is about supporting GGG and not a big company. GGG will not maintain their current popularity since you will lose some supporters simply due to their attachment to some E(vil) Corp. The drop in revenue will likely be permanent because that group will remain stubborn on the issue out of principle, and short of attracting players/whales who are open to throwing money to make up for the loss, you will see a net decrease in revenue for GGG.

When the 2nd point takes hold, I believe the first point will change. E(vil) Corp will inject themselves more into the equation in ways that we can't predict yet, but I suspect there is no good that will come from it.

I personally don't care. My time of supporting because of GGG alone has long since passed and if they manage to continue putting out a good product with a vision I agree with and enjoy, I'll support. That being said, I completely sympathize with those that do not want to support purely based upon the practices of a company. Although this is not one that I draw a line on (yet), I do for other companies that I disagree with something about the company or owners (Chik-Fil-A as an example for me).


Cool beans, saved me five minutes of writing and thinking.

Praise the nub \o/

Peace,

-Boem-


All praise be to Kiduku.
Thanks for all the fish!
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Aim_Deep wrote:
I play LOL which tencent owns and it's still great. You are overreacting.

And I played Crossfire, which Tencent owns and publishes (alongside other international partners) : it's a hacker infested shithole on top of a bad Anticheat, stuffed full of P2W weapons and features.

1/1, keep trying...
There is no way to support GGG anymore. You are now supporting Tencent and hope that they do good by GGG in return. People aren't ok with that. It isn't "over-reacting". It's rational. I doubt it will affect the game as much as some people seem to think it will, but we'll have to wait and see.

All I can tell you is that we don't have a say in it. We don't get to "vote with our wallets". That's gone. It's now Tencent's choice, and if you think we can influence them to make the game better, you're mistaken. They're in it for money, and will only fund a game that produces revenue. You're going to see that funding this game just became radically different.

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