This game needs an automated, in-game trading system

I don't mind whether there is a better trade system. What I want is just all price checker are gone and I don't need to whisper 10 people to buy only 1 item.

POE is a game designed with barter economy and trade chat in mind (very small economy) but outgrew that long ago and needs a far better economic system. Unfortunately looks like no one in GGG can figure out a way to solve this problem they created themselves, so of course they are hesitant

What they don't realize is that many of their expected consequences are wrong

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The gap between traders and non-traders widens. This gap is apparent when you see feedback that the game is too hard for some people and too easy for others. Most of the time, that is proportionate to how much they have traded.

If commerce is made easier there will be no gap between traders and non-traders because everyone will be a trader and it will be easier to balance the power of content because the power gap between players will be smaller

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Item pricing becomes more skewed towards only very-cheap and very-expensive. Items either become trivially cheap or unaffordable. If you have ever felt that it's going to take too many 1-alch sales to finally save up for that 80 exalt item you want, then this is the reason.

Prices are already "skewed towards only very-cheap and very-expensive" only newbies don't know the difference between a perfect and a cheap item and the rare perfect items for sure will be much more expensive than an imperfect one

Perfect and near perfect items have an items sink, they become the final item in someone's build while imperfect items continue in the economy almost forever (until they are only vendor trash) and this makes such items extremely cheap even if they are useful.

What we really need is an item sink for imperfect items to make their value rise at least a bit, something that permanently removes undesirable items from the market

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Progression is trivialised. While trading for an item to get a leg up on difficult content is of course fine, being able to trivially and cheaply quadruple your clear speed on a whim isn't something that should be expected on your first character in a league. In addition, the fewer item upgrades you make on a character before capping out your items, the lower chance you have of sticking around for a decent portion of the league. Upgrading items more times (in smaller steps) is more fun than jumping right to the perfect gear

Because most items become so cheap over time, currency players expend while leveling will be much more valuable after they can use high-level items, and their leveling gear will be only vendor trash when they finally get to that stage and for sure it's not fun to expend valuable currency on items you will use for only a short time.

This and the hard and frustrating experience of trading makes a lot of players play self-imposed SSF until they reach lvl 60-70 and then when they finally start trading, of course, they will increase their clear speed by a huge amount.

If trading is made easier for sure a lot of players will start trading much sooner and upgrade items in smaller steps and the game can be balanced around players with better equip, try to make a good game for both traders and non-traders is what makes the game so easy for some and so difficult to others

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Miská wrote:

Yes, because a game can stop progress like that instantly. Come on man, stop being such a simpleminded person.

I'm being simple minded because I think that failing to anticipate the current trade situation and "designing the game with trading in mind" are incompatible?
I haven't said anything else here, but feel free to make any other assumptions about what I think and then insult me about it.

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Telzen wrote:

Yeah and those MMO's also have the best gear drop from raids that can only be done a certain amount of times per week and/or the gear is usually bind on pickup/equip. In PoE once gear has dropped its in the trade pool forever and the more people trading the more prices are going to drop on anything that's not a perfectly rolled rare item.

So what? How is that related to the main thesis i wrote?

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DivineChampion wrote:

But difference between in-game trading system (where buyer is not forced to contact with seller) and current trading system (poe.trade) is only lack of trade scammers and afk.

Just want to add my thought on this.

First of all, I am very *against* an automatic trading system such as an Auction House, I sincerely hope such a thing is never implemented in this game and that all trading is done between humans.
That said, there is one thing I would like to see changed however, and that would be the removal of third-party websites such as poe.trade and have that functionality implemented in-game.

Cheers :)

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vio wrote:

other games have ingame tech that compensates for trading and so easier item aquirement.

do you really want item degradation over time or monsters stealing your gear?

they're "protecting scammers"? i'd rather say by making the game easier they attracted alot of people who don't understand games and want no challenges.

So what? How is that related to the main thesis i wrote?

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DivineChampion wrote:

But difference between in-game trading system (where buyer is not forced to contact with seller) and current trading system (poe.trade) is only lack of trade scammers and afk.

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Marxone wrote:

Can I get automated trading system that will get my 1 chaos and turn it into 5000 chaos in 1-2 days?

Oh, i guess that is called botting for flipping and is charged by external websites. Also potential ban per $

If you have trading skills to make 5000 chaos out of 1 chaos in few days, why you dont go to Frankfurt Stock exchange, and dont earn millions of $$$ flipping currency there???
Or maybe is isnt as easy at it looks like?

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DivineChampion wrote:

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vio wrote:

other games have ingame tech that compensates for trading and so easier item aquirement.

do you really want item degradation over time or monsters stealing your gear?

they're "protecting scammers"? i'd rather say by making the game easier they attracted alot of people who don't understand games and want no challenges.

So what? How is that related to the main thesis i wrote?

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DivineChampion wrote:

But difference between in-game trading system (where buyer is not forced to contact with seller) and current trading system (poe.trade) is only lack of trade scammers and afk.

players being afk is a feature which naturally reduces the amount of items in the market. with offline trade, like in the chinese poe version, ggg would need to hide half the offers you can see.

there are no "trade scammers". you get exactly the items which are in the trade screen for the items you did put into the trade screen.

if you were wrong about item prices it's your fault of not getting informed enough beforehand. poe.trade is suitable to check item prices if you just ignore the "too good to be true" offers like in real life.

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DivineChampion wrote:

Convenient trading system is #1 priority for developers of any MMO game, but not for GGG - they have irrational fear of it. But difference between in-game trading system (where buyer is not forced to contact with seller) and current trading system (poe.trade) is only lack of trade scammers and afk. So, in fact, GGG is protecting trade scammers...

Also, one more thing: creating the ability to get rid of scammer in your hideout requires N time to develop, and it is still not implemented. Creating in-game trading system requires 10.000*N time to develop, and i don't think they are able to do it even if they want to.

to be fair PoE is not an MMO

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vio wrote:

players being afk is a feature which naturally reduces the amount of items in the market. with offline trade, like in the chinese poe version, ggg would need to hide half the offers you can see.

there are no "trade scammers". you get exactly the items which are in the trade screen for the items you did put into the trade screen.

if you were wrong about item prices it's your fault of not getting informed enough beforehand. poe.trade is suitable to check item prices if you just ignore the "too good to be true" offers like in real life.

AFK players do not remove items from the market only makes buying stupidly bothersome, the items continue to be exhibited as on sale and decrease its value

I said it before and I'll say it again: Chinese/Xbox trade system is probably only the first step towards a full trade system with proper filters

Chinese/Xbox players for sure will start to request for proper filters because they know about poe.trade filters and once implemented pc players for sure will ask for the same in-game trade system. It's only a matter of time. I just hope it doesn't take too long.