This game needs an automated, in-game trading system

I'll leave you club of newbies alone. Not a single normal argument was made, it's only whining. GGG will never implement an AH, thank god they are not bowing down to you, our casual minority who are to lazy to do anything themselves. Go back to Blizzard.
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Miská wrote:
I'll leave you club of newbies alone. Not a single normal argument was made, it's only whining. GGG will never implement an AH, thank god they are not bowing down to you, our casual minority who are to lazy to do anything themselves. Go back to Blizzard.


Newsflash, poe.trade already works as an online only unsanctioned "market"...

And if even solo centric people are bothered by the lacklustre "bartering" system, that says a lot regarding PoE being a "game centered around trade"...

Most of us couldn't be bothered by your "go back to Blizzard" comment, but if GGG wants truly to have "trade" in PoE as a "core aspect", they need to bring it into a lot of focus and improve upon the current system.
PSS: Our almighty TencentGGG overlords are very scrupulous regarding criticizing their abilities to take proper decisions and consider everything "needlessly harsh and condescending"...

Good to know "free speech" doesn't apply in any form or manner on the forums these days...
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CyberWizardB5 wrote:

AFK players do not remove items from the market only makes buying stupidly bothersome, the items continue to be exhibited as on sale and decrease its value

personally i never untick that "online only" checkbox when looking up items.

and your hopes for search improvements in the chinese trading implementation: depends on the overal progression of the individual groups of players. if it's restricting to a point that players can't find the 4 to 5 items they need per league it likely will be improved.
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ok a question: somebody got an example of a game with no item sink, no item degradation over time, no periodical global power creep in expansions by raising the max item level or affixes, a offline auction house with offline trade that ran successfully for over 5 years with a million players min?

(i'm aware that ggg did introduce new affixes for some gear types)
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vio wrote:
ok a question: somebody got an example of a game with no item sink, no item degradation over time, no periodical global power creep in expansions by raising the max item level or affixes, a offline auction house with offline trade that ran successfully for over 5 years with a million players min?

(i'm aware that ggg did introduce new affixes for some gear types)


PoE's economy is OK only in leagues, that last few months. In Standard (5+ years), it's broken as fuck!
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Drakaris wrote:
I don't understand the irrational fear of an auction house type of trade of both GGG and some players. I guess reading hundreds of threads each and every single day on the forums and Reddit of people complaining about the lousy "trading system" (if you can call it that...) is better for everyone.

And most of them have a point. The annoying trading is probably the main reason I started playing SSF exclusively. Yea sure, I'm not gonna get that UBER WTFPWN build in a week but at least I don't have to deal with scammers, annoying and dishonest traders, assholes, AFK-ers or players offline right when I want something etc. I don't really understand what is so bad about the AH type of trade. You have an item, you list your item, you logout and go grab a beer, someone wants your item, he buys your item, you log back in, you get your currency. Done. You don't have to be online constantly, set up gazillion macros and auto answers, constantly check 3rd party websites, mapping while your chat is flooded with offers etc. The AH eliminates all the annoyance while providing more benefits for both selling and buying.

I mean if you want to make an omelet where do you go to buy your eggs - to the local supermarket where all the products you want are already there and you can get them whenever you want at a fixed price and nearly automated process? Or do you jump on your car, drive a thousand miles to a village in the countryside, find a chicken farm, wait for the farmer to wake up or to shoot you in the face because you were sitting there for hours knocking on his window and shouting "Hi, I would like to buy your eggs listed for 35 dollars in West Bumblefuck (stash tab "Eggs"; position: left 3, top 1)"? Where is the logic in that?


Brilliant reply of the random PoE player that would love an AH in a nutshell.

1. Blatantly overreact.
2. Say the word 3rd party, like it's a disease.
3. Blatantly overreact.
4. Make a ridiculous analogy.

It's funny though that you think your items will autosell when you logoff with an AH. EVERY single game with an AH has people that undercut you in a second and then your item will never sell. The moment an AH will be implemented people like you will storm to the forums the day after how it is impossible to sell anything at all if you aren't online 24/7, that everyone is a botter etc etc.



Your lack of knowledge about an AH is mind-blowing...

I played several games with an AH and it was quite easy to set one up.

1. Each player has a maximum amount of trades each day.
2. A trade currency needs to be formed, something that drops on rare occasions, similar to chaos orbs.
3. Your account needs to be verified to unlock trading. (SMS, Email)

No undercutting, no sniping will happen.

But even without these type of adjustments, an AH will still work. I am far from a hardcore trader at WOW and yet I sell my items just fine and buy of others equally well.


POE trade is a mess, as it has no protective environment in place. You can make hundreds of accounts, list items you don´t even have and make thousands of trades every day, while constantly undercutting other players.

In my opinion the only people defending the third party trading are those who abuse it, by either scamming, real money involvement or botting.
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MortalKombat3 wrote:


PoE's economy is OK only in leagues, that last few months. In Standard (5+ years), it's broken as fuck!


What you don't like on completely unregulated supply/demand based economy?

Is it that the high demand quality items are too expensive?
Is it that every long term player probably has all the gear and does not want to sell it?
Is it that the long therm players accumulated astronomical wealth and can trade between each other for T1 perfectly corrupted items for 100+ exalts?

Please do share!
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Miská wrote:
I'll leave you club of newbies alone. Not a single normal argument was made, it's only whining. GGG will never implement an AH, thank god they are not bowing down to you, our casual minority who are to lazy to do anything themselves. Go back to Blizzard.


Newsflash, poe.trade already works as an online only unsanctioned "market"...

And if even solo centric people are bothered by the lacklustre "bartering" system, that says a lot regarding PoE being a "game centered around trade"...

Most of us couldn't be bothered by your "go back to Blizzard" comment, but if GGG wants truly to have "trade" in PoE as a "core aspect", they need to bring it into a lot of focus and improve upon the current system.


I never said anywhere the current system is perfect and no changes are needed. We desperately need good changes, but a full blown AH would be the worst thing that could ever happen to this game.

For other comments regarding limiting amount of trades etc, please GTFO.
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Ygidua wrote:

I played several games with an AH and it was quite easy to set one up.

1. Each player has a maximum amount of trades each day.
2. A trade currency needs to be formed, something that drops on rare occasions, similar to chaos orbs.
3. Your account needs to be verified to unlock trading. (SMS, Email)

No undercutting, no sniping will happen.

But even without these type of adjustments, an AH will still work. I am far from a hardcore trader at WOW and yet I sell my items just fine and buy of others equally well.



registering players with credit card information and verify the validity by having a test withdrawal (the only one method that makes sense) would run contrary to the spirit of the game where you support only if you like the game.

if ggg liked the idea they would already have implemented it to be able to more efficiently ban rmt and botters (currently they can only reliably ban their supporters).

you can't compare poe with wow, the difference in the amount of players is substantial. there is much more demand for items in big communities.

trading tokens could work but so would having to do a haku master mission to get one item from an offline player.
we already have suggested that several times.
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Miská wrote:
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sofocle10000 wrote:
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Miská wrote:
I'll leave you club of newbies alone. Not a single normal argument was made, it's only whining. GGG will never implement an AH, thank god they are not bowing down to you, our casual minority who are to lazy to do anything themselves. Go back to Blizzard.


Newsflash, poe.trade already works as an online only unsanctioned "market"...

And if even solo centric people are bothered by the lacklustre "bartering" system, that says a lot regarding PoE being a "game centered around trade"...

Most of us couldn't be bothered by your "go back to Blizzard" comment, but if GGG wants truly to have "trade" in PoE as a "core aspect", they need to bring it into a lot of focus and improve upon the current system.


I never said anywhere the current system is perfect and no changes are needed. We desperately need good changes, but a full blown AH would be the worst thing that could ever happen to this game.

For other comments regarding limiting amount of trades etc, please GTFO.


Well, you think an AH will be the worst thing ever, just like GGG seems to think, but the reality disagrees.

PoE should make the gap between trading + 0 amount of danger and farming dangerous content, a lot smaller for one.

The "trading" system, be that "asynchronous" bartering or a full blown AH should have accountability and should ensure that buyers know what they are buying, and why, and traders should also be discouraged to "flip" for profit, but they should actually be encouraged to trade difficult to obtain items a whole lot more.

Scamming should be reduced to 0, or close to it.

You shouldn't be limited on the amount of trades, but you should at least have a delay to make you think about what you buy/sell. Right now, everyone sells everything for anything. That's very cool, but let's give everyone a fair chance at buying the right item for a fair price when they actually feel they need it, as that's what "trade" should be about.

And if GGG acknowledges that a healthy economy with a multitude of currencies is such a "chore" to "balance", either increase vendor options (you know, so "sinks" should feel "worth it") or give a better access to all the various currencies, at least those used in "crafting".

Unfortunately drops should also be tuned accordingly, and "chase items", be them end game uniques or rares, should have a way smaller gap until the "next best thing".

Do I expect GGG to provide a satisfactory solution?

Ultimately yes. The problems will reside in the amount of time need for it to be reached...

Oh, and please, keep a civilised tone if you still insist to continue the conversation, as you didn't offer in any way solutions to the "trade system" necessary improvements by keeping yourself on your high horse...
PSS: Our almighty TencentGGG overlords are very scrupulous regarding criticizing their abilities to take proper decisions and consider everything "needlessly harsh and condescending"...

Good to know "free speech" doesn't apply in any form or manner on the forums these days...
Last edited by sofocle10000#6408 on Sep 12, 2017, 10:50:16 AM

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