Ways to balance low-life shavronnes builds and daggerers/wanders

It's not about simply trivializing content. It completely dominates highend build diversity. All attack builds are best as a lowlife + CoE hybrid. Bow builds are best as lowlife. Spell builds are best as lowlife.

Pretty much the main fun in PoE is build diversity but if you're rich then there is no question what kind of build you're making. The same people that use it are the players complaining about it.

Diversity before that gearstage is great but when rich enough shavs will be BiS.

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kasub wrote:

It's not about simply trivializing content. It completely dominates highend build diversity. All attack builds are best as a lowlife + CoE hybrid. Bow builds are best as lowlife. Spell builds are best as lowlife.

Pretty much the main fun in PoE is build diversity but if you're rich then there is no question what kind of build you're making. The same people that use it are the players complaining about it.

Diversity before that gearstage is great but when rich enough shavs will be BiS.

This sums it up rather well.

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kasub wrote:

It's not about simply trivializing content. It completely dominates highend build diversity. All attack builds are best as a lowlife + CoE hybrid. Bow builds are best as lowlife. Spell builds are best as lowlife.

Pretty much the main fun in PoE is build diversity but if you're rich then there is no question what kind of build you're making. The same people that use it are the players complaining about it.

Diversity before that gearstage is great but when rich enough shavs will be BiS.

Yes, very much. It is interesting looking at that list regarding clear times, and the CoE+Shav's is just demolishing everything else when you reach mirror gear level.

Ironically the thing which is highest up and not a shavcoe, is a mjollnir instead which is a very high power unique in and of itself, and its using volls devotion, a unique which is legacy

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kasub wrote:

It's not about simply trivializing content. It completely dominates highend build diversity. All attack builds are best as a lowlife + CoE hybrid. Bow builds are best as lowlife. Spell builds are best as lowlife.

Pretty much the main fun in PoE is build diversity but if you're rich then there is no question what kind of build you're making. The same people that use it are the players complaining about it.

Diversity before that gearstage is great but when rich enough shavs will be BiS.

But Shavs/CoE isnt a directly a single build, its more like the final upgrade to various life based builds. You still have build diversity (bows/wands/ST/melee)...just all using the only available upgrade which is lowlife Shavs/CoE.

I personally have no problem with that. Just wish there would be more available options to get into this endgame lowlife stage....maybe like 2-3 other items (boots/glove/belt) which grants you the only necessary mod "chaos doesnt bypass energy shield" (and which isnt so bad like solaris lorica). Currently you need shavs and only shavs to get entrance to a lowlife based build.

ggg wont upset those rich ppl. they need obvious op items to make their supporter happy

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Real_Wolf wrote:

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kasub wrote:

It's not about simply trivializing content. It completely dominates highend build diversity. All attack builds are best as a lowlife + CoE hybrid. Bow builds are best as lowlife. Spell builds are best as lowlife.

Pretty much the main fun in PoE is build diversity but if you're rich then there is no question what kind of build you're making. The same people that use it are the players complaining about it.

Diversity before that gearstage is great but when rich enough shavs will be BiS.

Yes, very much. It is interesting looking at that list regarding clear times, and the CoE+Shav's is just demolishing everything else when you reach mirror gear level.

Ironically the thing which is highest up and not a shavcoe, is a mjollnir instead which is a very high power unique in and of itself, and its using volls devotion, a unique which is legacy

You dont have a character over 70. Why are you such a expert? How do you even know? This forum is infected with a serious disease and if this game wants to survive these forums need to be delt with.



A certain group of people have been strong arming, bulling and ganging up on people for years, congrats the game is in a bad state, thats what happens when a small army of defenders police the forums, trying to silence
all valid complaints.

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A certain group of people have been strong arming, bulling and ganging up on people for years, congrats the game is in a bad state, thats what happens when a small army of defenders police the forums, trying to silence
all valid complaints.

Why are you being dramatic?.. The post you're quoting is someone complaining so you getting into your defenders speech is kind of silly. Or is it not a valid complaint since you disagree with it?

I support a complete rework of the lowlife mechanic. Bloodrage and pain attunement have massive bonuses to be in theme with the dangers of being lowlife. Currently any of their intended negatives are being completely removed in a build that already benefits by being able to run more auras than usual.

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Wubbietail wrote:

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A certain group of people have been strong arming, bulling and ganging up on people for years, congrats the game is in a bad state, thats what happens when a small army of defenders police the forums, trying to silence
all valid complaints.

Why are you being dramatic?.. The post you're quoting is someone complaining so you getting into your defenders speech is kind of silly. Or is it not a valid complaint since you disagree with it?

I support a complete rework of the lowlife mechanic. Bloodrage and pain attunement have massive bonuses to be in theme with the dangers of being lowlife. Currently any of their intended negatives are being completely removed in a build that already benefits by being able to run more auras than usual.

Its from before your time.

Tweaking LMP/GMP/CHAIN etc. will be the best solution to fix crit globally. It needs crit chance/mulitplier penalties as well as the flat damage penalty to address the fact that crit builds benefit many times more from these gems than builds without crit.

There is no reason to penalize single target attacks (ranged or melee) but those ranged who can crit-hit multiple targets or even the whole screen at once must be penalized substantially.

Next to this, the best solution would be to fix dagger bases without creating legacy daggers. A dagger with 1.6 aps and increased crit should never have the same DPS as a sword or axe that dont have the crit. If this isn't possible without creating legacies, there need to be work arounds.


Low-life: needs to get fixed with fixing auras.

Sure balance low life builds, I won't use it anyway.

Very disappointing that my remarks about the state of melee, general class balance and ST is totally ignored here and all people (again) care about are the build that everybody is playing at the moment ignoring the minorities.

This is what we call populism and it does not result in good policies....