It looks like the addictive trait D2 had, cannot be found anymore: D2 vs PoE
IMO, some of the money should be used to make an extensive research about psychology of the player. This, or just keep hoarding money for a GGG's second game where everything would be fixed and addictive.
Cuz desync and bad optimization. I could play this game for years just like i did with D2. But those 2 things keep me aside, playing Hearthstone now and wont be coming back here until they fix 1 of the 2 problems.
How to fix ? If people just stop buy shit and playing the game, see how fast they will fix it.
Np, some people are just too young to grab their balls and move. People just accept the poor statement of the game, and expect optimizations. Wont happen until they do something about it. Complaining doesnt work, not supporting the game and not playing it does. But hey, do what u want, have much betters things to do that playing games that are not worth my time and money.
I think, after reading a fair portion of this thread. You can focus in on a couple major issues people are having.
#1. Desync.
I didn't care for Chris' explanation that its mostly my fault some how, and they will tweak the desync. If what happens to me in POE happened to me in ANY other game id be on the phone with my ISP and filling out an RMA on my custom PC. But its this game, by design.
This should be priority #2 for them imo...ill get to what needs immediate fixing.
#2 Itemization:
Notice all the grind complaints? Its an ARPG game, grind is the name of the game...so why are people complaining?
Well...just like what happened in D3, and was the fault of the AH...people play and play and play and play...their rewards? 1/50th of the orbs (used as currency) needed to buy one upgrade. OR 1/100th the amount of orbs needed to craft. OR a few uniques that are level 1 or low level items, or meant for another build.
Itemization is based around a protected economy of drops. Meaning Forced trading. This is what sunk D3 folks, I don't care what anyone says otherwise, most left because they were unable to get upgrades playing, something D2 did fantastically btw.
When Chris said SLF would splinter the game, its because everyone and their mother would play it, leaving the hardcores and traders left in a ghost town...they don't want that...they are the hardcore cut throat traders..this would wreck THEIR game.
Best take note on this,ROS is catering DIRECTLY at the self found loot crowd.
#3 Forced Trading
Some people love to trade, they can have fun I just about any type of game with trading. Some love killing mosters by themselves or with buddies and finding the loot in true ARPG form...they right now have no where to go in this game. You have to pay the troll toll to get the loot In this game. Better be familiar with prices, make a mistake and one of the few mega traders running this game will ignore you for lowballing.
The time needed to trade is far too great. People hate the AH concept because of D3, and because in that game you could go MONTHS without a self found upgrade...exactly like POE. If you want trading to be the foundation of the game...put a damn AH in game. Quit pretending there arnt tons of 3rd party AH's bypassing your vision and also making RMT all the more easy.
We could argue minor complaints...or play the mega-supporter denial game where "oh its all just the natural cycle of getting bored" *said in monotone brainwashed voice.
Fact is. Three major issues plague this game. If you want a hardcore niche game GGG...you are about to see what exactly that means...think pay your pay check and letting some buddies go over at GGG. People are fleeing this game.
Desync isn't something you should be shrugging off with an attitude. Self found loot players are the majority, and its not that hard to implement. Most play games for the skinner box continual loot found improvements not the joy of trading.
If you are going to force trading, make it so that those who dislike it don't need to spend more time doing it than playing, as is the current system
Im sure this wont get read but anyone with half a brain can clearly see what GGG's priorities should be....less they want to fade into obscurity. Its been over a year since beta...the above issues shouldn't be here still...you only get one shot with most gamers and a major milestone of Steam and critical acclaim has been wasted on ego decisions.
That interview he did with Athene was a big ole slap in the face to me. Major issues shrugged off as minor things that need a slight tweak...lol..ok...
Cant wait for ROS and im having a blast in breviks arpg both will be self found games. Neither has desync like POE (MH has some issues but its nothing like POE's Guinness book of world records style desync)
Needless to say...your fans and money are currently leaving the game for others that do give them a reasonable option as to how to play. I love this game on paper, and for a brief period mid act1 on normal to early act 3 merci this game is epic...but it just falls apart...I and others don't need to put up with these archaic and ego based issues.
Im out of builds I want to try, I never have found a decent loot item, I spend a years worth of orbs on crafting and one unique for one build...what else is there for me to do...die to desync in more hilarious ways? see how many non viable builds I can make?
I think, after reading a fair portion of this thread. You can focus in on a couple major issues people are having.
#1. Desync.
I didn't care for Chris' explanation that its mostly my fault some how, and they will tweak the desync. If what happens to me in POE happened to me in ANY other game id be on the phone with my ISP and filling out an RMA on my custom PC. But its this game, by design.
This should be priority #2 for them imo...ill get to what needs immediate fixing.
#2 Itemization:
Notice all the grind complaints? Its an ARPG game, grind is the name of the game...so why are people complaining?
Well...just like what happened in D3, and was the fault of the AH...people play and play and play and play...their rewards? 1/50th of the orbs (used as currency) needed to buy one upgrade. OR 1/100th the amount of orbs needed to craft. OR a few uniques that are level 1 or low level items, or meant for another build.
Itemization is based around a protected economy of drops. Meaning Forced trading. This is what sunk D3 folks, I don't care what anyone says otherwise, most left because they were unable to get upgrades playing, something D2 did fantastically btw.
When Chris said SLF would splinter the game, its because everyone and their mother would play it, leaving the hardcores and traders left in a ghost town...they don't want that...they are the hardcore cut throat traders..this would wreck THEIR game.
Best take note on this,ROS is catering DIRECTLY at the self found loot crowd.
#3 Forced Trading
Some people love to trade, they can have fun I just about any type of game with trading. Some love killing mosters by themselves or with buddies and finding the loot in true ARPG form...they right now have no where to go in this game. You have to pay the troll toll to get the loot In this game. Better be familiar with prices, make a mistake and one of the few mega traders running this game will ignore you for lowballing.
The time needed to trade is far too great. People hate the AH concept because of D3, and because in that game you could go MONTHS without a self found upgrade...exactly like POE. If you want trading to be the foundation of the game...put a damn AH in game. Quit pretending there arnt tons of 3rd party AH's bypassing your vision and also making RMT all the more easy.
We could argue minor complaints...or play the mega-supporter denial game where "oh its all just the natural cycle of getting bored" *said in monotone brainwashed voice.
Fact is. Three major issues plague this game. If you want a hardcore niche game GGG...you are about to see what exactly that means...think pay your pay check and letting some buddies go over at GGG. People are fleeing this game.
Desync isn't something you should be shrugging off with an attitude. Self found loot players are the majority, and its not that hard to implement. Most play games for the skinner box continual loot found improvements not the joy of trading.
If you are going to force trading, make it so that those who dislike it don't need to spend more time doing it than playing, as is the current system
Im sure this wont get read but anyone with half a brain can clearly see what GGG's priorities should be....less they want to fade into obscurity. Its been over a year since beta...the above issues shouldn't be here still...you only get one shot with most gamers and a major milestone of Steam and critical acclaim has been wasted on ego decisions.
That interview he did with Athene was a big ole slap in the face to me. Major issues shrugged off as minor things that need a slight tweak...lol..ok...
Cant wait for ROS and im having a blast in breviks arpg both will be self found games. Neither has desync like POE (MH has some issues but its nothing like POE's Guinness book of world records style desync)
Needless to say...your fans and money are currently leaving the game for others that do give them a reasonable option as to how to play. I love this game on paper, and for a brief period mid act1 on normal to early act 3 merci this game is epic...but it just falls apart...I and others don't need to put up with these archaic and ego based issues.
Im out of builds I want to try, I never have found a decent loot item, I spend a years worth of orbs on crafting and one unique for one build...what else is there for me to do...die to desync in more hilarious ways? see how many non viable builds I can make?
All you do is quote people without adding anything.
What.The.Fuck.Dood?
Many lewt.
Much desync.
Such rewarding.
Wow.
According to forum mods "sandwich" is considered an offensive word. Who knew?
All you do is quote people without adding anything.
What.The.Fuck.Dood?
When people agree with a post they will often just requote the post as a means of expressing their opinion, especially if they think that poster can clarify their position better than they can.
It's a forum norm here that has been an accepted form of forum posting since the beginning of the forums.
It is a shame this is new to you. If you are a bit newer than most, how about you attempt a bit more restraint in your trolling until you're more used to the forums?
(...) Even if the animations were really that good, eye candy should never EVER prioritize gameplay.
On top of that they added whole new technical problem: Horrible particle effects that frop FPS to single digits in Act3X. And then refused to give option to turn them off saying "We think they are important to the game atmosphere, who cares if it is not playable! All that matters is the atmosphere!!". (...)
Gotta agree with this, I'm slowly starting to really dislike GGG's approach. "We won't give you an option to turn off the rain, because it would look ugly! Oh, you would be happy with just being able to play the game? Sucks for you, mate!"
Also, "Oh, you'd like to have the ability to adjust the Texture quality? We optimized the whole game for the default 'medium' settings, so go edit a text file if you need to lower the quality, loser!"
And also "We don't care you can't see what is actually going on during a fight, because the unnecessary exagerated visual effects of every single skill are oh so pretty!" ...
All these little annoyances that tend to drive players away sooner or later...
Last edited by Koffin_Kat#0495 on Jan 14, 2014, 6:13:17 AM
When people agree with a post they will often just requote the post as a means of expressing their opinion, especially if they think that poster can clarify their position better than they can.
It's a forum norm here that has been an accepted form of forum posting since the beginning of the forums.
It is a shame this is new to you. If you are a bit newer than most, how about you attempt a bit more restraint in your trolling until you're more used to the forums?
1) look at his recent post history. Almost all are quotes with nothing added.
2) this account may be new, but I'm not. I'm well accustomed to the forums.
Many lewt.
Much desync.
Such rewarding.
Wow.
According to forum mods "sandwich" is considered an offensive word. Who knew?
Getting bored myself cause past lvl 80 there's nothing really to do. I enjoyed the one week race but this nem league is taking too long. We need a fresh economy and fix the drop rates of good gear. Also where's the auction house, looking for hours at trade chat is not a fun play time. Using a third party program isn't either.
Also i'm tired of being blinded by some spell effects. It's pretty, sure but wtf to do when you can't even see the mob you want to hit because off all the flashy ele effects.
And stop nerfing skills in a pve game, that's insane.
