Stop messing with people's builds mid league GGG

Usually, in todays game, not ambush or whatever the fuck was like back in history, to faceroll and carry 6 man 78 now to the extent the nerfed builds of relevance were doing, you'd need some mirror or legacy gear to compete.

This was 100 ex, right? Barely half the price of mirror itself. Dominate, stand out and hang with among legacy and/or mirror gear builds. Nothing wrong with this picture.

So you can stomp everything with 2 ex gear to the same extent being melee or range must mean everything is balanced. You have no issues that 90% of the other players experience. Or you have great imagination.

Wait, so you can't complete 78s in temp leagues were mirror items are almost non-existent and legacy items are?

Also, I just gave an example of a build I made for under 100 ex, no mirror items, put together in rampage, which will compete with most standard builds and is uber atziri capable, nevermind 78 map viable. Under 100 ex.

You literally are just making things up.

Have at it guys, gl getting your exploit back. GG GGG

One day, far in the future, POE players will learn not to immediately respec into some gimmicky, overpowered build they saw on a stream.

that nerf was a given

and it tells A LOT about the deplorable state of ggg' internal testing

at least theyve chosen to put out the fire quickly

Yeah! Shame on them for not having an army of hundreds of playtesters, theory crafters, and mathematicians working around the clock to vigorously test all of the combinations of skills and gear we have. There's only like, what, fifteen or so combinations AT MAX right?

Deplorable.

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sidtherat wrote:

and it tells A LOT about the deplorable state of ggg' internal testing

Actually, a while ago, when I said that devs try to balance skills with all possible interactions they can have in mind (at least those they can think of), Charan answered with one of those vague comments of his basically saying 'as if'. I can only assume it means they release skills with only basic balancing done and let community discover potential exploits.

Given he has much better connections to devs than me, we can be fairly sure he's closer to the mark than me. So, whenever you see something that looks a bit too good to be true, especially when new skills are concerned, give it a wide berth or get pissed later.

When this skill is concerned, it was being used in a way devs don't want it to be and that's that. Further discussion is pointless unless we want to discuss matters of taste.

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sidtherat wrote:

that nerf was a given

and it tells A LOT about the deplorable state of ggg' internal testing

at least theyve chosen to put out the fire quickly

That was exactly my thought too. That they didn't actually want to balance it so it's still strong, nor did they want to remove it so they just brutally nerf it so they don't have to deal with it now.

Pneuma put up some comparable nerfs to this and listed SWT from 9.10 and shocknova. Two skills that when nerfed disappeared completely, even though there's a shocknova killing atziri video and many people were doing SWT before it was finally balanced.

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sidtherat wrote:

that nerf was a given

and it tells A LOT about the deplorable state of ggg' internal testing

at least theyve chosen to put out the fire quickly

How many players used M/BA and for how many hours, before somebody discovered this interaction?

Let's use a conservative estimate of 600 players, playing for an average of 50 hours each; that's 30,000 hours invested into the discovery of this mechanic. Now, divide that by the number of developers (3?) responsible for internal testing. That's 10,000 hours per developer, to discover an obscure interaction that took an army of players to discover.

Fact of the matter is, it is GGG's fault for allowing it in the first place, but that tells nothing about their diligence or capability; what would, is all of the other things you never see because they are fixed prior to release.

Just gonna say this:

Do you remember two or tree leagues ago, the top 5 in ladders all stopped streaming once they got close to level 90+ and started again once they got to level 100?

Then it was discovered there was a "bug" with a build making minions doing like 10 millions dps or something like that.

At that time GGG done nothing to stop it because it was in mid-league and they did not want to nerf stuff in middle of the league / the nerf was to hard to implement in mid league.

It was also not surprising those doing the exploit were very important streamers and known players ( and some of them already exploited/cheated their ways the year before).

GGG seems to have changed their ways about nerfing mid league (I hope so). I wish they did that during the pathetic race to 100 with the minion exploit.