Stop messing with people's builds mid league GGG

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Xavderion wrote:

You're right, they should just wait til everyone and their guinea pig is playing the build and then nerf it for maximum rage...









not.

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goetzjam wrote:

Huge difference from fixing snap shotting and fixing one fucking skill working in such a manner they don't wish to be used as such. Snap shotting was used by summoners, aura builds, low life builds and a probably quite a few more.

So while they could have given some notice to this particular nerf as they stated they didn't want to give or allude to the fact that this build is "fine" and more people invest time into creating a broken character.

I'm surprised you don't see mirror arrow as a positioning skill, but that is what it is, the design of the skill was not to be this LOL 1 shot whole screen in full parties every 4 seconds.

Builds will, can and need to be nerfed if they are being abused out of the scope of the game intentions. Cast on death RF was nerfed, flameblast was just nerfed and if you think those nerfs were justified but not this one you have a personal dog in the fight and your judgement is clouded.

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Moosifer wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Huge difference from fixing snap shotting and fixing one fucking skill working in such a manner they don't wish to be used as such. Snap shotting was used by summoners, aura builds, low life builds and a probably quite a few more.

So while they could have given some notice to this particular nerf as they stated they didn't want to give or allude to the fact that this build is "fine" and more people invest time into creating a broken character.

I'm surprised you don't see mirror arrow as a positioning skill, but that is what it is, the design of the skill was not to be this LOL 1 shot whole screen in full parties every 4 seconds.

Builds will, can and need to be nerfed if they are being abused out of the scope of the game intentions. Cast on death RF was nerfed, flameblast was just nerfed and if you think those nerfs were justified but not this one you have a personal dog in the fight and your judgement is clouded.

Mirror arrow has virtually no use in PVE. It's a bad decoy totem that can't take as much damage and doesn't draw minions to itself. I get people using it in lvling up but I'm talking about high lvl maps, there's just no reason for it to show up there.

You've also picked up on everything weak argument I've seen thrown around so far, it's like you're just funneling what the community said here so you're the other side of the argument.

I know it needed a nerf and I was laughing at how ridiculous the build was performing with my friends. I just think 80% was too much. We had a swing from strongest build in the game to midrange niche build, it's a hard one to deal with. I had no hopes of being able to one shot 78 bosses for long, but I did hope that post-nerf I would still be able to easily play with my friends. It wasn't the case.

The build maker's "it's fine" video showed him slowly clearing a 78 solo in about 100 ex gear, throw a couple people in there, he's not killing much when lined up with another build designed to handle 78s. He sure as fuck isn't keeping up with a traditional build in 100 ex worth of gear.

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goetzjam wrote:

Your missing the whole point of why they needed to address it sooner then later. Personally I don't give a fuck if someone clears a map faster then me, what I do care about is the fact this build was literally broken.

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The_Speculator wrote:

100 ex gear in todays economy & crafting power is pretty average , even somewhat cheap price for solo face roll 78s.

The degree of uproar that this is resulting is not warranted, if one is truly being honest and objective. GGG set a precedence and they are following it. Unlike melee, range skills have been getting away with absolute murder when it comes to balance. Its about time the precedence applies to something other than melee.

This intended movement skill still does reasonably well after 80% nerf as a core attack... not excessive at all and shows how ridiculous the reaction is to this balance.

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The_Speculator wrote:

100 ex gear in todays economy & crafting power is pretty average , even somewhat cheap price for solo face roll 78s.

The degree of uproar that this is resulting is not warranted, if one is truly being honest and objective. GGG set a precedence and they are following it. Unlike melee, range skills have been getting away with absolute murder when it comes to balance. Its about time the precedence applies to something other than melee.

This intended movement skill still does reasonably well after 80% nerf as a core attack... not excessive at all and shows how ridiculous the reaction is to this balance.