General Discussion - 3 Years and still no trade system.... - Forum

The strongest enemy in this game is trading.	Posted by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015, 2:59:15 PM
" DirkAustin wrote: The strongest enemy in this game is trading. the strongest enemy is the "no item degradation"-rule, because it links the game's future to it's ability to constantly summon new players who create new demand for average items. look at the market prices for average items in permanent leagues to see that it failed that goal. age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill!	Posted by vio#1992 on Mar 15, 2015, 3:10:01 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" DirkAustin wrote: The strongest enemy in this game is trading. agree 100%... next strongest is GGG stance on their purposeful one hit mechanic desync. [quote="Mark_GGG"]damage modifiers don't can currently can't apply to degen.[/quote] "Getting all life nods on passive tree should give additional survival, not the mandatory basic survival." .\1.2/ ..\3/ [img]http://ertaislament.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/pentavus.jpg[/img]	Posted by leighferon#0786 on Mar 15, 2015, 3:13:11 PM Quote this Post
" geradon wrote: " DirkAustin wrote: The strongest enemy in this game is trading. the strongest enemy is the "no item degradation"-rule, because it links the game's future to it's ability to constantly summon new players who create new demand for average items. look at the market prices for average items in permanent leagues to see that it failed that goal. So what do you want to do? Make every league a temp league and delete chars after theyre done? What do you mean with item degradation anyways? Besides, this only concerns perma leagues anyways, temp leagues are the default for a reason.	Posted by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015, 3:14:06 PM
" leighferon wrote: next strongest is GGG stance on their purposeful one hit mechanic i rather like the "oh shit!!"-events when life goes down massively at once. if it doesn't kill me of course. and i can imagine it being hard for hc players to remember which monsters can one hit kill them and the necessity to read rare monster's properties all the time... age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill!	Posted by vio#1992 on Mar 15, 2015, 3:17:53 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" geradon wrote: " justinmm1988 wrote: Like seriously, you're selling the item not me! I don't go into a store and have this argument, I pay the price listed, or on rare occasions depending on the store haggle down! I am to the point I don't even message people with out a freaking price listed. real life? this is a game. nowhere in ggg's rulebook is written that sellers have to specify a price, it's all rules made up by the community itself. speak, it's most influential traders who just copied them over from other games or made them up for their own advantage and convenience. globally available public buyout prices have massive negative effects on ingame trades and the game's economy and difficulty for new players (they push down non highend item prices long term). but there is no way to prevent them so the only way to make trading inferior to playing the game is to make trading itself a hassle. sad but true. means: if the game masters were able to restrict players to see only a small part of all offers and prevent people to effectively specify their buyout prices on external platforms, trading could be made more easier, i'm sure. I think you were missing my point, which is this... ME:How much for item? HIM:Make me an offer? ME:IDK hows this $$$?! HIM:Nah to low man! ME:Well how much you looking for? HIM:IDK how much you think it's worth? SO FREAKING ANNOYING...basically they are saying I have no clue, im hoping you do...so lets argue back and forth until one of us wants to pull our hair out...they are selling not me, they should have a general idea on how much they want for what they are putting on the market...I shouldn't have to tell them thats ass backwards...I mean common! It has nothing to do with a price being set in stone, and everything to do with a seller not acting like a buyer, they need to act like they are marketing a product...they are the ones selling, even if they don't list a price they need to let me know how much to cough up...real world or not this is common sense. Last edited by justinmm1988#6504 on Mar 15, 2015, 3:26:11 PM	Posted by justinmm1988#6504 on Mar 15, 2015, 3:21:23 PM Quote this Post
" justinmm1988 wrote: ME:How much for item? HIM:Make me an offer? ME:IDK hows this $$$?! HIM:Nah to low man! ME:Well how much you looking for? HIM:IDK how much you think it's worth? SO FREAKING ANNOYING... this right here is the most important part of this discussion... perpetuated waste of time because ggg is too lazy to accept they need to do somethin about it. endless cycle that either keeps players playing or leave. thats why ggg's active players looks like a roller coaster. at the end of the league theres noone that would pay to ride that !!! [quote="Mark_GGG"]damage modifiers don't can currently can't apply to degen.[/quote] "Getting all life nods on passive tree should give additional survival, not the mandatory basic survival." .\1.2/ ..\3/ [img]http://ertaislament.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/pentavus.jpg[/img] Last edited by leighferon#0786 on Mar 15, 2015, 3:27:27 PM	Posted by leighferon#0786 on Mar 15, 2015, 3:25:33 PM Quote this Post
" DirkAustin wrote: So what do you want to do? Make every league a temp league and delete chars after theyre done? What do you mean with item degradation anyways? i made suggestions for item degradations in the past but i see now that it's folly demanding to change such a basic game element as "items never lose their value". just wanted to mention it. my strong opinion is that it will make permanent leagues a children's playground after some time because new players can buy endgame gear for 1 to 2 chaos orbs. " DirkAustin wrote: Besides, this only concerns perma leagues anyways, temp leagues are the default for a reason. true. but just dumping stuff to permanent leagues leaves no good feeling either, i would lie if i said that the stuff in permanent leagues doesn't bother me. age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill!	Posted by vio#1992 on Mar 15, 2015, 3:30:10 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" geradon wrote: i made suggestions for item degradations in the past but i see now that it's folly demanding to change such a basic game element as "items never lose their value". just wanted to mention it. my strong opinion is that it will make permanent leagues a children's playground after some time because new players can buy endgame gear for 1 to 2 chaos orbs. Greed would stop that from happening, can tell you that right now...even 3 years from now a shavs would never even come close to that price!	Posted by justinmm1988#6504 on Mar 15, 2015, 3:35:39 PM Quote this Post
" CharanJaydemyr wrote: We're so used to poe.trade now that just about anything GGG can implement at this point would probably fall short. And then you'd have something ELSE to get your knickers in a knot about, 'Godly'. Poe.trade had quite some issues two weeks or so back. This tool has many issues (e.g. not taking online status from POE directly, etc, etc..). Without that tool, I and many many people would simply un-install the game. I'd be flabbergasted if GGG did not realize that their game would have 1/10th of its player base without it. How one could let such a critical strategic part of the game in the hands of someone else is beyond me.	Posted by Mischief67#6663 on Mar 15, 2015, 3:44:33 PM Quote this Post