Protecting your "PRECIOUS" economy ain't working so give up and fix desync instead

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goetzjam wrote:

...your PURELY just speculating based on experience, kinda like me speculating purely on my experience that desync isn't an problem.

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goetzjam wrote:

I've watched streams probably the same amount as I've played the game and I can tell you that I have found more exalts them players have while they are streaming (at least when I watch) that doesn't really mean anything does it? When you take into account how many people play this game to me it isn't surprising to see that there are "tons of exalts" only a few days into the league. First of all at the start of the league you typically see more players then any other point, secondly exalts aren't restricted to high level areas, they can drop at low levels to, so when you add the additional players playing paired with the start of a new league of course 40ex may seem like a ridiculous amount of exalts at the start of a league.

Not that I am defending the botters, but what effect does that have on the general gameplay, you've yet to explain that. In addition only finding 1-2 exalts in how many hours you've played does seem really really low, judging based on how "good" you think you are at this game playing a bunch of builds I typically find 1-2 exalts EASILY per league.

Lets also dig deeper into the impact of "lol tons of exalts from bots you noob" What effect does it have on me? For all we know the algorithm GGG has for the release of exalts increases and decreases over peroids of time, we don't know if it increases\decreases with player count, we don't know how the drops are determined, your PURELY just speculating based on experience, kinda like me speculating purely on my experience that desync isn't an problem.

Please show us statistics to backup your data, not a SINGLE freaking transaction that more then likely involved RMT.

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AlbinosaurusRex wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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The main problem is that group play would see some weirdness, it would then be clients resyncing with each other but this is acceptable imo. Players would be able to trust what they see on their screen even if it's wrong because what they see is what matters.

Yes there will be hacks due to this. I really don't think it will be that big of a deal. The players like myself who just want to enjoy the game won't be turning cheats on. Take map hacking for example, some people use it but the majority do not because it just ruins the fun of the game.
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I agree with most of this, but map hacking is a point I wanted to touch on. In D2, most people map hacked at some point or another, and after your first couple times through the game, you mostly know all the areas anyway. I don't think fog of war contributes much to this game, and they could make map hacking a non-issue by giving you a toggle for the fog of war or map reveal once you've beaten the story at least once. That way people who want it can have it, and people who don't won't. It just seems to be an out-dated concept for this type of game.

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AlbinosaurusRex wrote:

I have no interest in your pissing match here, but I have to take exception to this statement. It's simply ludicrous. Desync is a very real problem, no matter what your "experience" with it is, and the sheer number of threads, comments, and in game whine about it this game has seen (regarding desync) since it launched is an overwhelming mountain of evidence of its truth. Those people aren't just "making it up," and neither am I. If you are honestly going to sit there and deny it, there's no point in anyone listening to your opinion about it. It's just like those people who deny global warming even though 97% of the scientific community agrees it's an issue. If you aren't going to use facts and evidence to back your claims, don't demand it of others.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

How "good" I am isn't really relevant since I play shit builds (melee). GGG won't allow me to play the game. And you can attest to the fact that I have tried.

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So you've probably found much more EX than me, but that still amounts to 1-2 "easily" per league. So let's call it 3. A league lasts 3 months. That's 90 days. So let's call it 1 ex dropped per month.

Now think about one person having 40 ex in 3 days.

This case is fucking closed. Even if one person dropped a Mjollnir or shavs on their first map, there isn't a person who they would be able to sell it to for the normal price on day 3. Not even an ENTIRE GUILD would have enough to pay for it.

You really need to think about that. The normal drop rate for an entire guild is not enough to have 40 ex in day 3. But one person by himself somehow had it. Think about that logically for one second. EVEN IF YOU BOTTED OR RMT'D, WHERE DID YOU GET THE EX FROM? Who sold you 40 ex on day 3? I could have all the money in the world and talk to an entire guild of 24/7 bot farmers and they wouldn't have 40 ex on day 3.

The entire idea that you somehow think this is a reasonable amount is beyond comprehension. And this is why I simply cannot take you seriously for anything other than a troll. I try real hard, I mean sometimes it looks like you're legitimately trying to make actual arguments, but then you say stuff like this that is so far separated from reality that I just can't take you seriously anymore. This currency was simply not acquired through normal channels, even if you bot or RMT.

Oh and by the way that's going off YOUR experience, which if I were to guess is actually extremely generous. I could calculate that going off MY experience, imagine how that would go for you.

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Vincendra wrote:

Please. We got scientific proof that europe was covered in ice for over 30.000 years. Don't use this puppet theater shit which is delivered by the mass media as if humanity could have any meanigful impact on the weather.

Exact weather measuring exists for 150~ years now, and in the last 20 years it has gotten warmer. That doesn't mean this is unnormal. for all we know, this happens now. This might have happend 500 years ago too, we just got no accurate scientific recordings of that time.

On the other hand, we should not polute and influence the gulf stream and other great oceanic streams. This might influence stream effects.

But for all I know and I can say for now: we got many ice ages and global warming in the last few time episodes of the earth without human interaction. Don't use weather and global warming as "facts", because we can not know how much humanity influences weather, because we got no other instances of weather change to compare.

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Loreweaver wrote:

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AlbinosaurusRex wrote:

I agree with most of this, but map hacking is a point I wanted to touch on. In D2, most people map hacked at some point or another, and after your first couple times through the game, you mostly know all the areas anyway. I don't think fog of war contributes much to this game, and they could make map hacking a non-issue by giving you a toggle for the fog of war or map reveal once you've beaten the story at least once. That way people who want it can have it, and people who don't won't. It just seems to be an out-dated concept for this type of game.

Removing the fog of war would screw with something like 90% or races and 99% of race archetypes.

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Vincendra wrote:

Why don't you start SC leagues as melee? I thoroughly enjoy playing my melee builds in tomrent I would not ever play them in HC in the state of the game. My 2h ST ranger in bloodlines is lined up and ready to go.

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So you've probably found much more EX than me, but that still amounts to 1-2 "easily" per league. So let's call it 3. A league lasts 3 months. That's 90 days. So let's call it 1 ex dropped per month.

Now think about one person having 40 ex in 3 days.

This case is fucking closed. Even if one person dropped a Mjollnir or shavs on their first map, there isn't a person who they would be able to sell it to for the normal price on day 3. Not even an ENTIRE GUILD would have enough to pay for it.

You really need to think about that. The normal drop rate for an entire guild is not enough to have 40 ex in day 3. But one person by himself somehow had it. Think about that logically for one second. EVEN IF YOU BOTTED OR RMT'D, WHERE DID YOU GET THE EX FROM? Who sold you 40 ex on day 3? I could have all the money in the world and talk to an entire guild of 24/7 bot farmers and they wouldn't have 40 ex on day 3.

The entire idea that you somehow think this is a reasonable amount is beyond comprehension. And this is why I simply cannot take you seriously for anything other than a troll. I try real hard, I mean sometimes it looks like you're legitimately trying to make actual arguments, but then you say stuff like this that is so far separated from reality that I just can't take you seriously anymore. This currency was simply not acquired through normal channels, even if you bot or RMT.

Oh and by the way that's going off YOUR experience, which if I were to guess is actually extremely generous. I could calculate that going off MY experience, imagine how that would go for you.

My character in torment has 10 days /played and found 8 ex. This roughly line up with my experience that an exalt drops every 30h played.

How many people start at new leagues? how many do manage to play 10h/day for the first 3 days? for how many of them does an Exalt actually drop?

I am pretty sure, that in the first 3 days, there are over 100 Exalt drops allready over the whole league. How many of them get into the economy is questionable, but I assume that ammasing 40 exalts is feasible if you nolife the first 3 days.