Protecting your "PRECIOUS" economy ain't working so give up and fix desync instead
" O god don't get him started on PoE 2 again. (search for the thread and you will know what I mean) as for @legatus in regards to: " Maybe in the permanent leagues botting\duping\ect has "ruined" the economy (although it hasn't) but please do give us an in-depth analysis on how the economy is ruined in in the temp. leagues. The effect bots have on PoE is so minor it doesn't affect the average player, however the effects of allowing the client to be trusted more (allowing for even more cheaters\better bots\ect) would be more severe then its worth. If its not one thing its another you complain about, I honestly don't know why you play this game, browse these forums and spent time responding to post when the number of complaints PURELY from you is a very long list. Desync Melee sucks, although maybe not pseudo melee like reave. 2 handers suck The optimization is terrible Build diversity sucks Unqiues are poorly designed Botting Cheats Not saying some of these aren't valid complains because they are, but with so many things you have expressed being so bad about the game why play something you aren't enjoying? https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285
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" Well actually yes you're right, it's more than I said it was but it's still possible. It is not about making a new game, that is going too far. Going on the assumption the game is coded properly (yes I know, big if there) the net code should be modular and encapsulated well enough to be fixed with a fair amount of work. Of course, there's always the chance it was coded poorly in which case you're right, not much can be done. And truth be told, judging by what I've seen from this game it probably was coded poorly. Miraculous what they've done really if you look at it with the assumption it was coded poorly. But who knows. my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes ----- Bug Fixes: People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Jan 28, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
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" See now you're just making shit up. I've never complained about anything on that list other than desync and balance. Then you listed balance in like five different ways. To be expected from a guy who changes his argument from "ping the server" to "trace the server" to "stop running torrents", though. I couldn't give two shits about who is and is not cheating, botting, rmting, or whatever else they're doing. I just want to be able to enjoy the fuckin game. The game is too good to let ggg piss it away like they are. If desync didn't make security such a big factor I would not even care if my account got hacked three times a day. You can't enjoy the fuckin game because of their false security. And yes, botting does affect the economy dramatically. Or are you really going to tell me all those exalts in your stash were farmed by someone who plays more than you do? You're not that fuckin naive. my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes ----- Bug Fixes: People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Jan 28, 2015, 12:45:30 PM
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" Are you really telling me that you haven't complained about every single one of those points in a thread on these forums in the last month or so? " Yet you bring it up so often. All I know is I don't have the issue you all describe with desync, I've read the dev. manifiso on why it exists, it however doesn't go into detail on why someone gets it more often then other players, which is something I'd personally like to know. Something specific to yours and anyone elses machines\connections\situation is making the game play experience worst for you and I don't understand why, as a technical person, but not a game designed I don't know what this is, but things like ping, traceroute and torrents have an effect on most internet activities. " Desync in some form or fashion has existed since day one, to say they are pissing the game away because of it is asinine. What false security are you even talking about, please don't make a claim without something to back it up. " Right because exalt drops are set up to drop every XX amount of time botting is super successful. No those exalts are most likely from players that actually play LESS then me not more. The average player doesn't need exalts for anything other then transaction currency, so for them they save up pure or convert until they purchase the item they need, whoever has the item then can use those exalts the same way and they keep getting recycled through the system. If botting has any affect on the economny its alts\jews\fuses that see a bigger impact due to the fact THOSE can be effectively farmed. (even chaos to a point) Bots take time to actually affect market, when do you think bots actually have an effect on the economy, 1 week, 1 month, many months? You submit claims with not intentions to support it with any facts. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285
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" I agree with most of this, but map hacking is a point I wanted to touch on. In D2, most people map hacked at some point or another, and after your first couple times through the game, you mostly know all the areas anyway. I don't think fog of war contributes much to this game, and they could make map hacking a non-issue by giving you a toggle for the fog of war or map reveal once you've beaten the story at least once. That way people who want it can have it, and people who don't won't. It just seems to be an out-dated concept for this type of game. |
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" Actually, most bots are run in the temp leagues where RMTs can make the most profit, and it DOES have a collossal effect. Moreso than in standard. Someone found and 5 linked a shavs within ~3 days iirc. That chestpiece sold for 40 exalts the next day. Someone had 40 exalts worth of currency in under a week. The simple fact that 40 exalts dropped in that amount of time, considering that anecdotal evidence suggests people usually only see a handful drop every 500 hours. If that doesn't raise alarm bells as to a RAMPANT botting problem, I don't know what does.
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Sidenote as to a latter comment: effects of botting are felt immediately. Within the first week, and then it slowly normalizes from there depending on how much market share they can lock down. Cause as soon as the new league start, every RMTer has a hundred bots working away. Even if there's only a dozen of them (which I seriously doubt), that's still about 10% of the midexpac population (on steam specifically, that is, GGG's native client has no user tracker, but there's about 10k people on steam daily, and that's being generous.
Also, I'm not defending his malaising on the forums, but if you want to know 'why' he does it, (well - *I* do it) see my sig. "But we still had a lot of fun, please don't think this comes from hate. We bitch because we like you and we want you to be great!" ~Miracle of Sound Last edited by LostKavi#3963 on Jan 28, 2015, 1:56:02 PM
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" The average player has many more exalts than they found. I'm not sure how many ways this needs to be explained to you. Whether it's fuses or exalts that proves the point to you makes no difference. And yes, the only things I ever complained about to my knowledge are desync and balance. The only other time I would be bothered to even mention another problem poe has is to make a point about those two things (or because someone else made an interesting thread while I was at lunch). I couldn't give a shit less about the rest of poe's issues, because they don't make the game unplayable (though people who have performance issues I feel are making valid complaints). my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes ----- Bug Fixes: People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Jan 28, 2015, 2:13:58 PM
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" The average player probably doesn't have exalts sitting in his\her stash. I tried to explain this to you because exalts are not really consumed (cept rare crafting cases) they are mainly used as a trading currency for more expensive items. Simply because players that DO have exalts typically have more then what they have found doesn't attest to how much exalts are found from bots. Like I mentioned players over time aquire smaller currencies to trade up, some moreso then others people do things like quad\hex farm dominus which leads to TONS of chaos, alts, jews, fuses ect. " You are complaining in this SAME thread about botters, that part of the main points of this thread is the economy is "shit" in the leagues. As for the argument of how someone has 40 exalts in the league in less then a week, either they are really lucky or RMT\rmtlikesitethatcantbenamed. One item transaction as such doesnt have large effect on the economy for the average person. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285
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I have never once complained about bots, the only time I have ever mentioned bots in this thread is in the context of desync.
And see the above comment about shavs and exalts in three days. Whether or not this came from botting or RMT is not the issue at all, the issue is that the economy has enough ACCESSIBLE exalt supplies in 3 days that people are able to spend 40ex. Those didn't come from regular players. I've spent more hours than I can remember in POE and seen like 1 maybe 2 exalts drop ever. I've watched more streaming than I have actually played the game probably and I've never seen a streamer get an exalt drop. my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes ----- Bug Fixes: People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Jan 28, 2015, 4:43:45 PM
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" I've watched streams probably the same amount as I've played the game and I can tell you that I have found more exalts them players have while they are streaming (at least when I watch) that doesn't really mean anything does it? When you take into account how many people play this game to me it isn't surprising to see that there are "tons of exalts" only a few days into the league. First of all at the start of the league you typically see more players then any other point, secondly exalts aren't restricted to high level areas, they can drop at low levels to, so when you add the additional players playing paired with the start of a new league of course 40ex may seem like a ridiculous amount of exalts at the start of a league. Not that I am defending the botters, but what effect does that have on the general gameplay, you've yet to explain that. In addition only finding 1-2 exalts in how many hours you've played does seem really really low, judging based on how "good" you think you are at this game playing a bunch of builds I typically find 1-2 exalts EASILY per league. Lets also dig deeper into the impact of "lol tons of exalts from bots you noob" What effect does it have on me? For all we know the algorithm GGG has for the release of exalts increases and decreases over peroids of time, we don't know if it increases\decreases with player count, we don't know how the drops are determined, your PURELY just speculating based on experience, kinda like me speculating purely on my experience that desync isn't an problem. Please show us statistics to backup your data, not a SINGLE freaking transaction that more then likely involved RMT. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285
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