RMT Wins. Fatality!

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drakar8888 wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

I still think the impact of RMT on the game is vastly overrated, especially by some less wealthy individuals around here. Nobody has been able to prove otherwise, and I really doubt that johnkeys can do it. The way he phrased his opening post tells me he's rather fishing for attention here than interested in a serious discussion about RMT.

Yep, RMT is a myth, it never happened. Much like the moon landing.

Botting also never happens because GGG's "super secret antibot system"™ actually catches the large scale botting operations, not only the average kid who doesn't have a clue what they are doing.

[Removed by Support] is just a friendly fan site community that helps honest players trade their items for in-game orbs and not something imaginary called fools gold.

The rmt sites you can access with a simple google search don't exist and are not used by anyone.

People that pump out perfect rares and brag openly about going through hundreds of eternals per week are just very good at the game and at life in general and we should worship them.

believe

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Nightmare90 wrote:

That all said, I agree with Xav. RMT is a thing, oh wow. The only people bothered by it are ladder runners aka people spending way more time in this game than the average player. The real competitive players won't bother with that race but do the shorter events.

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mrpetrov wrote:

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Nightmare90 wrote:

That all said, I agree with Xav. RMT is a thing, oh wow. The only people bothered by it are ladder runners aka people spending way more time in this game than the average player. The real competitive players won't bother with that race but do the shorter events.

If you don't believe RMT has a material impact on in-game inflation, then I can understand where you're coming from.

However, if you believe (as I do), that RMT does have a material impact on in-game inflation, then I don't understand where you're coming from.

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Nightmare90 wrote:

I don't know why people fear inflation so much.

Just a thought:
Imagine the in-game economy inflates so much that a leveling unique can be sold for 10 Chaos. They are not that rare. Now you got that 10 Chaos but maybe can't buy too much from it. What can you do? Use it of course!

If the prices skyrocket due to inflation of any kind ("RMT induced" or not) people will value the intrinsic crafting value of currency against the trading value of currency like they do now but come to a different conclusion naturally. The currency design itself diminishes inflation. If people burn their currency for more crafting again due to the reduced trading value, we will see the usual effects of a currency sink.


That all said, "RMT effects" are not really worrysome but they are bad for competition and GGG values sporty competition a bit higher than many other F2P developers. That doesn't mean that they are able to run a support team 24/7 solely on RMT hunt.

As seen here they need to keep the pleb in order sometimes so they don't fling the shit on each other. Aside all the technical and account support they need to supply as well as bug reports they need to forward.

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mrpetrov wrote:

Nightmare90, thanks for reposting and my apologies I didn't recall your recent post.

I believe that in-game inflation would be less of a big deal if RMT didn't exist. Your example re the levelling unique inflating to 10 chaos orbs (whether this is "high" or not is all relative) not being a bad thing because there is - of course - an equilibrium that *must* develop in prices. Ie, when 10 chaos orbs becomes very easy to obtain through farming, people will use them (like alts).

However, what this example fails to address is that the real-money cost of orbs is going lower, and lower and lower. This is a fact. This is not speculation. This has happened.

Extend your example. If you could buy 10 chaos orbs for $0.01, wouldn't a large proportion of the player base be tempted to buy them rather than farm them?

What's the logical extension of that? People get used to buying orbs. We have virtual global free trade in action, where the lowest cost producer (gold farming RMT houses) are a growing supplier of goods into the economy. Keep extending this, let me know what you think happens (seriously)?

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drakar8888 wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

I still think the impact of RMT on the game is vastly overrated, especially by some less wealthy individuals around here. Nobody has been able to prove otherwise, and I really doubt that johnkeys can do it. The way he phrased his opening post tells me he's rather fishing for attention here than interested in a serious discussion about RMT.

Yep, RMT is a myth, it never happened. Much like the moon landing.

Botting also never happens because GGG's "super secret antibot system"™ actually catches the large scale botting operations, not only the average kid who doesn't have a clue what they are doing.

[Removed by Support] is just a friendly fan site community that helps honest players trade their items for in-game orbs and not something imaginary called fools gold.

The rmt sites you can access with a simple google search don't exist and are not used by anyone.

People that pump out perfect rares and brag openly about going through hundreds of eternals per week are just very good at the game and at life in general and we should worship them.

believe

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DogFaceNoSpace wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

My expectation comes from comparing PoE to other free economy F2P games. I think RL experience with economics (which I also have) doesn't help much, we can't really measure anything reliably because of lack of information. But I know if RMT was as rampant as johnkeys claimed, the economy in PoE would look a lot worse.

I have experience with other free economy F2P games and the impact of RMT was enormous. At a certain point nobody even farmed anymore.

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Michael_GGG wrote:

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CCR5 wrote:

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Michael_GGG wrote:

and we don't receive such emails as often as some might think

when whole rmt forum is available for reading and searching _and_ nothing ever happens to those players

Most of these users are smart enough to not publicly share their PoE details, regardless we do ban these accounts when the evidence is found.

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Xavderion wrote:

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DogFaceNoSpace wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

I still think the impact of RMT on the game is vastly overrated, especially by some less wealthy individuals around here. Nobody has been able to prove otherwise, and I really doubt that johnkeys can do it. The way he phrased his opening post tells me he's rather fishing for attention here than interested in a serious discussion about RMT.

For the impact of RMT just look at the average RMT website and what they have in stock.

Wrong.