Would anyone be against selling chaos orbs on GGG's shop? (For convenience)

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Even if a win wasn't guaranteed, you are still paying for an increased amount of chances towards "winning", which is an advantage, even if said player didn't win anything. Give everyone a lotto ticket but they can buy more if they wish sort of deal.

However progression isn't limited by hitting that big item drop either. Which has been proven time after time and the comparison made is always towards BiS items not dropping when progress can be made with bottom tier gear.

Does RNG not dictate every roll at a "win" is done in a vacuum of its own?

If indeed the chances at a win where increased over time or currency spend, there would be no RNG issue to begin with imo.

(i made a threat about infinite time vs RNG some days ago, this talks about this subject. Rng is perfectly viable and pleasant given an infinite amount of time. However in PoE there is no such thing, the only thing that comes close are standard league and hardcore)

I do agree with your second statement, the game is very much viable and possible with mid-tier items and i am perfectly fine/capable of enjoying/completing it that way.

Peace,

-Boem-

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VaultzInex wrote:

Not really since you can get that increased amounf of chances toward winning just by doing the chaos recipe.
You are paying "convenience"

See.. ?

That's like saying "You have a chance to get a Shavronne's by killing piety tons of times, so selling it in the shop is just 'convenience'"

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It could be difficult to implement though, as Corodix pointed out.

It would be difficult to implement because GGG will never do it. While whole thread is void, all you are saying here is vain. This is not going to happen.

But let the bullshit flow:

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Yes i know, i know about your assertive - open minded attitude.
You forgot the kind who do understand but choose to answer like he did not :)

Lmao.

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Not really since you can get that increased amounf of chances toward winning just by doing the chaos recipe.
You are paying "convenience"

LMAO. I suggest U-R-WINNRAR forum title. You know, for "convenience". Also, unique shop, for, you know, convenience! Why waste time farming for uniques, when in the end you are just spending time getting it? Isn't it "convenient" to just be able to get it right away? Amarite?

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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VaultzInex wrote:

Not really since you can get that increased amounf of chances toward winning just by doing the chaos recipe.
You are paying "convenience"

See.. ?

That's like saying "You have a chance to get a Shavronne's by killing piety tons of times, so selling it in the shop is just 'convenience'"

No, no, no! It is just "convenient" way of playing games! DUH!

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Perq wrote:

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It could be difficult to implement though, as Corodix pointed out.

It would be difficult to implement because GGG will never do it. While whole thread is void, all you are saying here is vain. This is not going to happen.

But let the bullshit flow:

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Yes i know, i know about your assertive - open minded attitude.
You forgot the kind who do understand but choose to answer like he did not :)

Lmao.

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Not really since you can get that increased amounf of chances toward winning just by doing the chaos recipe.
You are paying "convenience"

LMAO. I suggest U-R-WINNRAR forum title. You know, for "convenience". Also, unique shop, for, you know, convenience! Why waste time farming for uniques, when in the end you are just spending time getting it? Isn't it "convenient" to just be able to get it right away? Amarite?

I think more 'convenient' would be to let us select a base Item in the shop and with every click that costs X $ it gets chanced. So you don't really pay for a unique, just for the chance of getting it. So player A may pay 20 $ for Unique YZ and player B pays 40$. Totally not pay to win.

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Perq wrote:

.. when in the end you are just spending time getting it? Isn't it "convenient" to just be able to get it right away? Amarite?

You know very well that paying for the ability to spend less time to get something you can get spending time is ...

convenient.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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VaultzInex wrote:

Not really since you can get that increased amounf of chances toward winning just by doing the chaos recipe.
You are paying "convenience"

See.. ?

That's like saying "You have a chance to get a Shavronne's by killing piety tons of times, so selling it in the shop is just 'convenience'"

Not really, his suggestion is more along the lines of selling chance orbs and scourings in the shop rather than the item itself. I get what his point of the argument/suggestion is which eventually leads up to your example.

There has to be a defined level of convenience added in order to "set the bar" for p2w. Where that bar lies, I don't think anyone knows, but most can probably agree Garena selling character respecs is over or at least AT that bar.

Selling Chaos in the shop giving you item rolls only limited by the size of your wallet would be far over that convenience bar into p2w territory. The time saved by a rich person would be too great to exclaim it wasn't p2w. When compared to doing the chaos recipe.

Personally I thought selling stash tabs was setting the convenience bar in terms of p2w and anything else added for convenience would be to a lesser degree.

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Worldbreaker wrote:

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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VaultzInex wrote:

Not really since you can get that increased amounf of chances toward winning just by doing the chaos recipe.
You are paying "convenience"

See.. ?

That's like saying "You have a chance to get a Shavronne's by killing piety tons of times, so selling it in the shop is just 'convenience'"

Not really, his suggestion is more along the lines of selling chance orbs and scourings in the shop rather than the item itself. I get what his point of the argument/suggestion is which eventually leads up to your example.

There has to be a defined level of convenience added in order to "set the bar" for p2w. Where that bar lies, I don't think anyone knows, but most can probably agree Garena selling character respecs is over or at least AT that bar.

Selling Chaos in the shop giving you item rolls only limited by the size of your wallet would be far over that convenience bar into p2w territory. The time saved by a rich person would be too great to exclaim it wasn't p2w. When compared to doing the chaos recipe.

Personally I thought selling stash tabs was setting the convenience bar in terms of p2w and anything else added for convenience would be to a lesser degree.

That's almost exactly what I wrote in my second post. :3

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VaultzInex wrote:

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Perq wrote:

.. when in the end you are just spending time getting it? Isn't it "convenient" to just be able to get it right away? Amarite?

You know very well that paying for the ability to spend less time to get something you can get spending time is ...

convenient.

Aka pay-2-win, which GGG is against. /Thread.

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Perq wrote:

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VaultzInex wrote:

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Perq wrote:

.. when in the end you are just spending time getting it? Isn't it "convenient" to just be able to get it right away? Amarite?

You know very well that paying for the ability to spend less time to get something you can get spending time is ...

convenient.

Aka pay-2-win, which GGG is against. /Thread.

You are wrong.