Would anyone be against selling chaos orbs on GGG's shop? (For convenience)

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Boem wrote:

Is winning in this context not a guaranteed item?

As such one cannot win with the introduction of this.

(again i don't agree it should be implemented, but i can see the logic behind the statement it is not P2W)

Obviously this statement is dependent on your definition of "winning" in PoE.

Very much like stash tabs are considered by some as a P2W feature, while for others it is like inex calls it a "convenience" you pay for.

It's just a difference of perception imo. Or definition given the context.

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Boem wrote:

The point of the OP is that even with 500000 chaos orbs purchased, a "win" is not guaranteed.

It's quite baffling how so little people in this thread seem to grasp that. It is quite evident in the OP.
(maybe i am biased because i know other post's of inex, that might be true)

It is not so much a request to implement this, more a subtle way of saying RNG gates linear progression.
And as such an option to implement this can not 100% guaranteed result in a "win" and can therefore be called non-p2w.

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You can see it as (let's say) 10 $ for a chance at getting a good roll.

But you can also look at it like this: Best roll possible for 10-X $.

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Are you serious?

Ok let's say there are 10 chaoses @ 10 dollars. One player purchases 1000 chaos orbs. You're saying that that players will not have ANY advantage in reaching for example Piety first, farming her first, obtaining gear first and thus having an advantage over the other players? are you drunk?

The sell of any crafting orb is totally gamebreaking, specially in 4 moths leagues where everyone is supposed to start equally poor. If one starts with 1000 chaos orbs, how can't he be advantaged over others???

EDIT: please don't suggest "cmon let the orb sells start @2 months of the league"

Also, you know that you're defending what the RMT sites are already doing right? why RMT is so hated then and the idea to of having a GGG orb shop is not? they share the EXACT SAME LOGIC

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yes you pay to win because u paid for your perfect weapon rolls so u will have advantage at killing mobs, u will lvl up faster, get items faster and finally WIN faster. and you only had to pay, then win by using what u just bought.
while im still farming chaos to 'craft' my fucking weapon because i didnt pay shit.

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Boem wrote:

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yes you pay to win because u paid for your perfect weapon rolls so u will have advantage at killing mobs, u will lvl up faster, get items faster and finally WIN faster. and you only had to pay, then win by using what u just bought.
while im still farming chaos to 'craft' my fucking weapon because i didnt pay shit.

A statement like this is based around the assumption 5000000000000000000000000000000000 chaos rolls will yield a guaranteed positive result.

There is nothing to back up such a statement.

The opposite is equally true, such is the nature of RNG.

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A statement like this is based around the assumption 5000000000000000000000000000000000 chaos rolls will yield a guaranteed positive result.

There is nothing to back up such a statement.

The opposite is equally true, such is the nature of RNG.

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Perq wrote:

With finite rolls you have finite chance for getting what you want. 5000000000000000000000000000000000 rolls would probably be around 99,999999999% chance of rolling great shit. Enough? That is the whole point - the more you spend, the higher chance of getting good shit you get. And this is why giving these chances for money IS p2w.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

You can see it as (let's say) 10 $ for a chance at getting a good roll.

But you can also look at it like this: Best roll possible for 10-X $.

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Worldbreaker wrote:

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tinko92 wrote:

I believe there are 2 things OP was targeting. One is the convenience of stash tabs as time savers, and the actual usage of chaos orbs.

Stash tabs and this suggestion of selling chaos orbs can in fact be really balanced, depending on the price of them.

How much time do stash tabs save over a 30h playtime period?
How much chaos orbs drop on average in that saved time by stash tabs?
Proceed with the pricing.

But, the price would be too high, only the real Richie Rich fans would buy more than ~100 chaos orbs.