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VaultzInex wrote:
Not really since you can get that increased amounf of chances toward winning just by doing the chaos recipe.
You are paying "convenience"
See.. ?
That's like saying "You have a chance to get a Shavronne's by killing piety tons of times, so selling it in the shop is just 'convenience'"
Not really, his suggestion is more along the lines of selling chance orbs and scourings in the shop rather than the item itself. I get what his point of the argument/suggestion is which eventually leads up to your example.
There has to be a defined level of convenience added in order to "set the bar" for p2w. Where that bar lies, I don't think anyone knows, but most can probably agree Garena selling character respecs is over or at least AT that bar.
Selling Chaos in the shop giving you item rolls only limited by the size of your wallet would be far over that convenience bar into p2w territory. The time saved by a rich person would be too great to exclaim it wasn't p2w. When compared to doing the chaos recipe.
Personally I thought selling stash tabs was setting the convenience bar in terms of p2w and anything else added for convenience would be to a lesser degree.
That's interesting! So you thought stash tabs were p2w but you stayed and played anyway?
Well now we know that GGG can implement "selling chaos orbs on shop" without fearing anything.
If it's convenience then it's all good. If it's p2w, it does not matter since the game is so good nobody is going to leave. Eg: Worldbreaker.
Good vaal orbs : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/840813
Bad ones : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/812199
Why? http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/854397(I got an answer)
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Posted byVaultzInex#4933on May 8, 2014, 10:34:20 AM
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Perq wrote:
Aka pay-2-win, which GGG is against. /Thread.
You are wrong.
It was already answered Inex
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Worldbreaker wrote:
There has to be a defined level of convenience added in order to "set the bar" for p2w. Where that bar lies, I don't think anyone knows, but most can probably agree Garena selling character respecs is over or at least AT that bar.
Selling Chaos in the shop giving you item rolls only limited by the size of your wallet would be far over that convenience bar into p2w territory. The time saved by a rich person would be too great to exclaim it wasn't p2w. When compared to doing the chaos recipe.
Personally I thought selling stash tabs was setting the convenience bar in terms of p2w and anything else added for convenience would be to a lesser degree.
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Posted byWorldbreaker#6569on May 8, 2014, 10:34:58 AMAlpha Member
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Hope GGG makes a microtransaction store where OP items can be purchased. Like all the uber uniques and OP-rolled rares for normal hard-earned cash.
That would be so much FUN.
(jocking of course, but if you add chaos orbs to micros, u might as well go full Pay2Win)
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Your argument is so strong, I can't help but to post another toaster:
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.
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Posted byPerq#4049on May 8, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
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Worldbreaker wrote:
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VaultzInex wrote:
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Aka pay-2-win, which GGG is against. /Thread.
You are wrong.
It was already answered Inex
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Worldbreaker wrote:
There has to be a defined level of convenience added in order to "set the bar" for p2w. Where that bar lies, I don't think anyone knows, but most can probably agree Garena selling character respecs is over or at least AT that bar.
Selling Chaos in the shop giving you item rolls only limited by the size of your wallet would be far over that convenience bar into p2w territory. The time saved by a rich person would be too great to exclaim it wasn't p2w. When compared to doing the chaos recipe.
Personally I thought selling stash tabs was setting the convenience bar in terms of p2w and anything else added for convenience would be to a lesser degree.
Nice.
@Perq : read.
Good vaal orbs : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/840813
Bad ones : http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/812199
Why? http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/854397(I got an answer)
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Posted byVaultzInex#4933on May 8, 2014, 10:38:36 AM
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He is proving my point, yes. And?
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. Last edited by Perq#4049 on May 8, 2014, 10:41:23 AM
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Posted byPerq#4049on May 8, 2014, 10:40:09 AM
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Is winning in this context not a guaranteed item?
As such one cannot win with the introduction of this.
(again i don't agree it should be implemented, but i can see the logic behind the statement it is not P2W)
Obviously this statement is dependent on your definition of "winning" in PoE.
Very much like stash tabs are considered by some as a P2W feature, while for others it is like inex calls it a "convenience" you pay for.
It's just a difference of perception imo. Or definition given the context.
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Posted byBoem#2861on May 8, 2014, 10:40:16 AMOn Probation
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JahIthBer89 wrote:
Wasn't Inexium like a fairly well-known guy around here? Did he get banned or something and decide to make posts like this?
Check out OP's characters and their names.
Either way, 0/10
Inexium was not banned
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/417287 - Poutsos Flicker Nuke Shadow
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Posted byPoutsos#0458on May 8, 2014, 10:40:23 AM
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On the contrary, inexium keeps on giving to this community.
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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Posted byBoem#2861on May 8, 2014, 10:41:55 AMOn Probation
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VaultzInex wrote:
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Worldbreaker wrote:
There has to be a defined level of convenience added in order to "set the bar" for p2w. Where that bar lies, I don't think anyone knows, but most can probably agree Garena selling character respecs is over or at least AT that bar.
Selling Chaos in the shop giving you item rolls only limited by the size of your wallet would be far over that convenience bar into p2w territory. The time saved by a rich person would be too great to exclaim it wasn't p2w. When compared to doing the chaos recipe.
Personally I thought selling stash tabs was setting the convenience bar in terms of p2w and anything else added for convenience would be to a lesser degree.
Nice.
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Posted byWorldbreaker#6569on May 8, 2014, 10:47:48 AMAlpha Member
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