The most overused strawman on these forums: "RNG is RNG"

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Crackmonster wrote:

In other words we are back to this from earlier in the thread:

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A Glimpse into the mind of Sinnesteuer:

The basic Premise in Sinnesteuer's mind is that GGG is always right. That is the core principle.

Therefore,

Anything that goes against GGG is wrong.
Any problems players may have with GGG's choices are the player's own problems.
Anyone that has any unmet expectations automatically brought it upon themselves (accept or gtfo).

That is all. Don't waste your time on it.

and the basic premise of your posts are being a smartass? he the likes the game as it is, as many others. you guys are just taking that fact and molding it to make him look bad so you can try and justify your entitlements like a good little democrats. . your idiot supporters will fall for it but smart people will see through this bullshit.

Rng is Rng.Today i dropped shavronnes wrapping on this league also.Had to see uniques for 5 days straight with 180iir.Even if i had got nothing though,i still wouldnt change the fact that rng is rng.

Rng is rng.Its a fact.Like trolls are trolls.Haters are haters.So,rng is rng.

Saying "RNG is RNG" appears to be merely a Tautology, however, what people are suggesting by saying it, is not "X is X". They are suggesting that whatever is being "complaining" about is RNG.

In doing so, they attack a conjured position. That is what a strawman is.

In other words, the strawman is subtle, not visible to an AI analysis but by understanding the undertones when humans express things. There are two layers of subtle non-visible meaning to these statements when they are used as strawmans, which is most of the time i read them on these forums.

EDIT: You have to understand, i neither disagree with it being a Tautology or your Que sera sera, both are true.

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Crackmonster wrote:

Saying "RNG is RNG" appears to be merely a Tautology, however, what people are suggesting by saying it, is not "X is X". They are suggesting that whatever is being "complaining" about is RNG.

In doing so, they attack a conjured position. That is what a strawman is.

In other words, the strawman is subtle, not visible to an AI analysis but by understanding the undertones when humans express things. There are two layers of subtle non-visible meaning to these statements when they are used as strawmans, which is most of the time i read them on these forums.

EDIT: You have to understand, i neither disagree with it being a Tautology or your Que sera sera, both are true.

What they are suggesting, that you have failed to understand for so many pages in this thread, is that your experiences are not accurate reflections of the experiences of all players and that all players experience RNG in different ways. These experiences are filtered through subjective perception.

At some point I will likely tire of playing the same tune, likely.

The problem is that the people in question do believe they have touched on the subject with the ultimate argument. They do not realize they have only attacked people who would complain about RNG such as: "I farmed for 8h and didn't get a chaos or, QQ".

So they do very much believe they have laid an argument pertaining to whatever thread they were addressing whereas they have not.

Call it whatever you want, they argued against something the thread was not about, and that is the problem.

EDIT: I cannot understand how you can say this is not often occurring when it happens in every single thread where people address reward rates. For example fusing threads, drop rate threads etc. They always come stating RNG is RNG and similar.

Every time they come in, they assume OP is talking about bad RNG experiences and not about the system behind it, and that is when RNG is RNG attacks the position they conjured for the threads.

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Crackmonster wrote:

The problem is that the people in question do believe they have touched on the subject with the ultimate argument. They do not realize they have only attacked people who would complain about RNG such as: "I farmed for 8h and didn't get a chaos or, QQ".

So they do very much believe they have laid an argument pertaining to whatever thread they were addressing whereas they have not.

Call it whatever you want, they argued against something the thread was not about, and that is the problem.

Well, when we are willing to re-define RNG QQ as "loot drop issues" or whatever kind of dreck you are going to come up with in order to "win" this argument, you are totally right.


Here, I will give you something you can quote, put it in your signature if you want:

Crackmonster is the most consistently correct poster in threads where he defines terms and acts as arbiter of valid argumentation.



And Cronk, I'm sorry, are my totally subjective opinions as expressed in these General Discussion threads any less valid than yours? Is my input not important for the developers? Should they all think that every single player has the exact same experiences as the OP?

To avoid crossposting, because of your edit, I respond to:

"I cannot understand how you can say this is not often occurring when it happens in every single thread where people address reward rates. For example fusing threads, drop rate threads etc. They always come stating RNG is RNG and similar."

I cannot understand how you fail to comprehend that what people are actually talking about in those threads is, in all actuality, their own SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCES based on their POSSIBLY UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS.

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Sinnesteuer wrote:

Is it going too far to ask players to step back and take a solidly honest look in the mirror to attempt to determine what, if any, amount of responsibility they legitimately hold regarding whatever issue they are more than ready to blame on the game or developers? Really? Maybe I am equating "self-awareness" too much with "responsibility" and "accountability", but I see them as all part of the same package.

Actually, it is. It's just a game, after all; they have no duty to analyse their play nor to understand why they fail.

That said, it is reasonable to critique someone's feedback when they refuse to be self-aware and simultaneously maintain to be experts on high levels of play. Note that's an "and" statement, not "or": a player who lacks self-awareness can still have valid feedback if a better-than-low skill level is not a premise of his argument.

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Crackmonster wrote:

In other words we are back to this from earlier in the thread:

"

A Glimpse into the mind of Sinnesteuer:

The basic Premise in Sinnesteuer's mind is that GGG is always right. That is the core principle.

Therefore,

Anything that goes against GGG is wrong.
Any problems players may have with GGG's choices are the player's own problems.
Anyone that has any unmet expectations automatically brought it upon themselves (accept or gtfo).

That is all. Don't waste your time on it.

While I accept this as basically true, the hypocrisy of it bothers me. How is such a position worse than the belief that nothing the player does is wrong, any problems players may have are GGG's fault, and by releasing a free game which falls short of some players' expectations GGG has brought this upon themselves?

What the hell are you talking about Sinn. You are one of those people who consistently enter threads that are not about RNG and write. "RNG is RNG, deal with it", or similar, thereby attacking something different than what was being discussed, and thereby thinking you have defeated it with a statement that is true when isolated.