The most overused strawman on these forums: "RNG is RNG"

Scrotie, I would argue that players that don't understand why they fail in PoE will be the same ones that argue that their subjective experiences are the norm, and the game must change to account for it.

My issues with PoE are MY ISSUES. I don't present them as facts of the game's failures. I understand also that there is nothing forcing me to play this game, and that if I cease to enjoy it, for whatever personal reasons I might have, I will simply quit the game.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

While I accept this as basically true, the hypocrisy of it bothers me. How is such a position worse than the belief that nothing the player does is wrong, any problems players may have are GGG's fault, and by releasing a free game which falls short of some players' expectations GGG has brought this upon themselves?

It would be it's counterpart, or at least the first part would about the player never being wrong. Both dismiss reason, which i why i don't believe in either. I generally don't believe in absolutes.

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Sinnesteuer wrote:

Scrotie, I would argue that players that don't understand why they fail in PoE will be the same ones that argue that their subjective experiences are the norm, and the game must change to account for it.

My issues with PoE are MY ISSUES. I don't present them as facts of the game's failures. I understand also that there is nothing forcing me to play this game, and that if I cease to enjoy it, for whatever personal reasons I might have, I will simply quit the game.

Let me examplify something i could have said to show you just how misleading your statements are. Something i have said before could have been:

I believe boosting unique drop rates would benefit the game. Here are some things i judge that from:

1. The amount of currency uniques are worth, and average farming hours it takes to acquire them.

2. The fact that they they are much easier to acquire than the topmost rares, which means you are not done farming for your character when you get them.

3. That uniques were far more common in D2, and that i and many many others, in fact he majority of D2 players i know(which is quite a few), large parts of the internet etc believe it created a good flow through the game.

4. That only those who play nonstop or trade has time to get 1-3 of the very expensive uniques on their build in short leagues, ie. the majority of the end-game potential is kept away from players.

5. That good long-time ARPG loving players are quitting because drops are not rewarding enough.

6. The reason it takes so long to get "there" in poe is because GGG knows that what is the most interesting is progression. But it is entirely possible that they lock players into long periods of near-no progression, instead of allowing people to reach reach a satisfying plague and reroll from satisfaction rather than frustration.

Of these points only 3 and 6 are subjective, but again your reponses has before been to this: Accept or GTFO. Which is useless. These forums are for discussions, and everyone has the right to say whatever they mean.

I happen to mean boosting unique droprates would be good for the game, deal with it.

As a matter of fact, saying "RNG is RNG is RNG is RNG" is as true - or even truer, thanks to its repetitious element - as saying "RNG is RNG", but at the same time does not come across as demeaning or as offensive.

I think this is because of a) its resemblance to the famous line "Rose is a rose is a rose is a rose", which opens up the statement to all kinds of poetic associations, and b) by demonstrating more effort it shows empathy.

But since showing effort in being sympathetic is only for the weak and the women, to be a real man one must do the exact opposite: show no effort, and no sympathy. So, as long as GGG does not manage to change the fact that the PoE-forums are more or less no-womans land, "RNG is RNG" is here to stay.

It is because of the collective memory(culture), of the community. RNG is RNG applies several layers of meaning, many more even than i mentioned here. Not all, but some posters also suggest "stop whining" etc with it.

It's alright, temperature heated up and we are just repeating the same arguments even more stronger every page. Some other time.