You are not rembering diablo 2 correctly

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Taganov wrote:

Oh the irony.

You clearly haven't the slightest clue of what irony actually is. Please, for the love of god, look it up before using it again. It doesn't mean "slightly humorous thing that could be a coincidence if it weren't so damned obvious". I am fully aware that I appear to have a bias toward PoE, but that's because you're looking at it through the lens of someone who is biased against it. Where I sit is the middle ground, who doesn't see a problem with the way either system was set up.

All the other guy running his test would prove is that he got further in D2 than PoE in the same time frame, which would run right up against the fact that my experience was the opposite, and leave us sitting right at 50/50. Which proves exactly...nothing, just as I said.

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Isbox1 wrote:

I've put in roughly I would say 750+ hours into POE.


I put in I would probably say like 2000+ hours into D2 over 10-12 years. Losing my disks several times and bought the game already probably 4 times.

I played D2 on day 1 of release. I played the absolute shit out of that game.

Every time I remade accounts I was back at end game within 2 months each time.


I don't think I've ever been in end game gear yet in POE - I have several 5Ls - but there is no real comparison in terms... CLEARLY there were end game uniques that I had several copies of sometimes in that 2 months. Have I even seen even 1 "end game" unique in POE? lol. Nope. In 750 hours+. Not 1. In 2 months with probably 100 hours I get several end game uniques. (NOT BIS rolled, however still clearly end game unique items like Shakos)

You guys keep dreaming and talking shit about it. RNG is clearly biased in GGG favor - whereas D2 RNG is clearly biased in favor of the players.

Now put your money up - or shut up.

Like I said: I don't WANT to go play D2 for 50 hours - however I will do so and then 50 hours on POE and document it all - stream it all - work for YOU guys - to prove YOUR point... because I already know the answer.

I honestly never tracked my actual D2 played time, but let's just say that I was 16-18, out of school, and with no job. Yeah, there was a lot of time invested. The best drop I EVER saw without botting was a Stormshield in a cow run. Outside of botting, two Shako drops. Other than that, absolutely nothing even worth taking to the trade chat. As I said though, most of my played time was during the 'ith' era, so if you weren't bringing bugged, duped, or an unid WF to the table, you weren't getting much of a damned thing for what you had. However, running Pindlebot for about three weeks while I slept, I suddenly racked up four unid WFs, several Nat's claws (why I kept those, I have no idea), and three Grandfathers.

Now, I understand that D2 went through a lot of changes while I was gone, and I got bombarded with a lot of new shit when I went back last year. However, after investing three months back into that game, you want to know how many HRs I found? None. I ended up resorting back to my old d2jsp account toward the end just to move stuff and accumulate wealth without botting.

What does this prove? D2s trade system is just as (if not more) fucked than PoE's. At least here currency can be acquired on a very regular basis just by playing. There, if it isn't godly, it isn't gonna trade in game, and you're better off going back and trying to work your way up in FG on jsp.

I can't put this any differently:

your point is invalid unless you supply me with an LOD:D2 key and we run 50 hours of D2 and compare that to 50 hours of POE.

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Until that time: clearly D2 rewards vs time invested is massively better than POE.

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tackle70 wrote:

In this topic:
OP complains about people complaining about not being able to build their map pool

Then OP admits that you can't build a map pool solo:

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Chisel 74 or better, run in a party of 6 and play hard mods.

Classic.

P.S. I had years of solo fun in Diablo 2 without ever resorting to bots, dupes, or trading. I think it is YOU who are remembering Diablo 2 wrongly.

I never said anything about solo play. You casual fantasy role players are obsessed with this "solo solo play". My comment about mapping was towards the people who don't understand that high end maps were created to be rare so leveling passed 90 was difficult. You probably dress up like Gandalf the gray everytime you play your witch.

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newbsauce87 wrote:

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tackle70 wrote:

In this topic:
OP complains about people complaining about not being able to build their map pool

Then OP admits that you can't build a map pool solo:

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Chisel 74 or better, run in a party of 6 and play hard mods.

Classic.

P.S. I had years of solo fun in Diablo 2 without ever resorting to bots, dupes, or trading. I think it is YOU who are remembering Diablo 2 wrongly.

I never said anything about solo play. You casual fantasy role players are obsessed with this "solo solo play". My comment about mapping was towards the people who don't understand that high end maps were created to be rare so leveling passed 90 was difficult. You probably dress up like Gandalf the gray everytime you play your witch.

Almost nobody complains about mapping in groups. Your OP on that particular point is just making a straw man argument.

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Isbox1 wrote:

I can't put this any differently:

your point is invalid unless you supply me with an LOD:D2 key and we run 50 hours of D2 and compare that to 50 hours of POE.

Put up or shut up.


Until that time: clearly D2 rewards vs time invested is massively better than POE.

Actually, the burden of proof is on you. You're the one swearing that something is wrong, while I am saying that the current system is fine. It is you (the one bringing the accusation) that must back up his claim.

You also cannot run a fair comparison due to the RNG aspect of both games. This experiment would need to be repeated at least several hundred times (or by several hundred people) to rule out my primary point: that it proves nothing when done on a small scale.

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Gallowmere1984 wrote:

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Isbox1 wrote:

I can't put this any differently:

your point is invalid unless you supply me with an LOD:D2 key and we run 50 hours of D2 and compare that to 50 hours of POE.

Put up or shut up.


Until that time: clearly D2 rewards vs time invested is massively better than POE.

Actually, the burden of proof is on you. You're the one swearing that something is wrong, while I am saying that the current system is fine. It is you (the one bringing the accusation) that must back up his claim.

You also cannot run a fair comparison due to the RNG aspect of both games. This experiment would need to be repeated at least several hundred times (or by several hundred people) to rule out my primary point: that it proves nothing when done on a small scale.

You guys crack me up.

Obviously RNG is so blatently amazing in POE and that much greater than D2 that there should be no deviation.

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The saddest part is this: I actually don't really want to put in 50 hours into POE.

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Isbox1 wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

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No, it's not that we don't believe what we say. It's that it would be a poor investment of my $20, or whatever D2+LoD costs now. I already know the answer, and I am satisfied with that. You on the other hand, have a serious axe to grind, and expect people to ignore the rules of statistical analysis in order to prove your point, which is shaky at best.