Well he might know more than you do on the subject. Out of the 2 of you, only 1 of you has a char above level 62, and it's not you buddy. Don't take my comment as an insult either, because it's not intended to be. You're a casual player who hasn't experienced PoE's end game yet, and he has. He knows more.
You talk as if I didn't know how - endgame or RNG or crafting or economy or droprates or difficulty or scaling or any other issue that is related to another issue - works. I analyze those things daily on my job. I think you are just frustrated that the "problems" you are trying to make by force are not really problems at all and I and many others have proven that time and time again for you. It frustrates you so much that you keep following me and quoting all my posts as if that somehow validified your point.
Honestly, I don't know who you are. Am I supposed to? Well, if you're done flattering yourself, thank you for "theorycrafting" about how everything in PoE works, and letting us who actually play it know what you do at your job. You sound like an inexperienced elitist who turns into a brat when someone's opinion differs from yours. Grow up kid.
Wait, what? YOU insult HIM for being a brat when someone else's oppinion differs from your oppinion?
I understand your point, I really do and I know right now trading is very rewarding but itemization doesn't even exist really in PoE unless you do trade or you get lucky and get an interesting unique. Rares in this game are just getting an item and passing a list of rng gates and don't offer any interesting affixes so that by definition is shallow. I really don't understand how you could even argue against wanting to be able to get better and more interesting gear to drop for yourself.
PoE's itemization is fantastic. The amount of builds and the depth of items that have value here is unsurpassed. The people in this thread complaining about itemization either haven't taken the time to look into all the possible builds or they don't understand what itemization is.
Just want to clarify my specific issues with items in PoE; Drops rewards from actually playing leave a bit to be desired and rares are boring. I agree some uniques are really interesting and how items in general interact with skill gems and the passive tree is amazing but having to rely on trading and to a lesser extent crafting to gear up and not being able to get gear from actually killing monsters is kind of a let down in an arpg for me.
Just want to clarify my specific issues with items in PoE; Drops rewards from actually playing leave a bit to be desired and rares are boring. I agree some uniques are really interesting and how items in general interact with skill gems and the passive tree is amazing but having to rely on trading and to a lesser extent crafting to gear up and not being able to get gear from actually killing monsters is kind of a let down in an arpg for me.
We just disagree man. I think rares are fantastic in this game. There are many different builds which means that many different item types have value. I will never forget how awful it was in D3 knowing that there was no point in picking up certain rare items. In PoE I still pick up all rares.
Honestly, I don't know who you are. Am I supposed to? Well, if you're done flattering yourself, thank you for "theorycrafting" about how everything in PoE works, and letting us who actually play it know what you do at your job. You sound like an inexperienced elitist who turns into a brat when someone's opinion differs from yours. Grow up kid.
Wait, what? YOU insult HIM for being a brat when someone else's oppinion differs from your oppinion?
The fuck is happening :D
Where in my post did you see me insult his opinion? I shot down his self proclaimed celebrity status, and questioned his lack of playing experience. He is entitled to his opinions, as is everyone, and I really don't give a shit where anyone stands. I'm simply defending myself. Again, I never said anything about his opinion.
Read my post again, but really slow this time. Now edit your comment, because it doesn't make sense, or at least edit out those "oppinion"s so that you kind of make sense to the like minded people who want to support you, but just can't.
I understand your point, I really do and I know right now trading is very rewarding but itemization doesn't even exist really in PoE unless you do trade or you get lucky and get an interesting unique. Rares in this game are just getting an item and passing a list of rng gates and don't offer any interesting affixes so that by definition is shallow. I really don't understand how you could even argue against wanting to be able to get better and more interesting gear to drop for yourself.
Interesting gear drops all the time, if you don't understand why its interesting gear maybe you dont know enough about different builds.
PoE has the best itemisation of any arpg, because it has the most in depth and varied mechanics of any arpg for the item stats to interact with. The gear drops are fine, if you think the gear you find is bad and you cant compete the game and start mapping self found the problem is more likely you. Your build sucks, you dont understand how to use what youve found, your skill gems arnt right, something you have done is wrong. Its not bad itemisation, its not bad drop rates which is another thing entirely.
All this shopping vs finding stuff, ok time for some real talk and some of you arnt going to like this. Because this game has a large variety of builds, stats and mechanics the variety of gear is going to be huge. A result of the fact this game has GOOD itemisation is that 95% of the items you find are not going to be good for YOUR BUILD, theyre going to be good for someone elses. Everyone is in this position, so yes more than likely you find someone elses ideal gear and they find yours and you trade with each other.
This isnt D3, this isnt the people who find their gear and grind vs the credit card warriors who sign in on day 1 and legitimately RMT billions of gold to buy top class gear. RMT is cheating in this game, and cheats aside trading gear you found while grinding is every bit as legitimate a way to get your gear as finding the bits directly. I prefer to find the bits directly, we all do, but unless you want a game with shit build diversity and shit gear diversity or drop rates so huge that within a month you find everything in the game then most of the gear you will find will be for other builds and to find all the gear you want by yourself will take a long time. Its either that or have a short, shallow, shit game.
Going self found extends the experience, it makes the game take longer, and the serious self found people out there do what they do BECAUSE of this, they dont cry about it. Anuhart is self found, his gear is crap right? No his gear is as good as my gear despite me trading and playing for over 3000 hours. How come? Hes played over 5000 hours, he has no gear problems. Orb problems yes, and this directly related to the mapping currency sink which is nothing to do with itemisation and everything to do with currency drop rates. Self found players get shit on when it comes to orbs, when it comes to gear they are getting what they are after, a prolonged game experience and character progression.
Its a long game guys, theres a long character and gear progression, theres a long endgame access progression. Its not a Dragon Age style install it on friday and youve done everything, have everything by monday morning sort of game. I know some of you log on a few times and week and grind very inefficiently for a few hours at a time and you feel like crap because you dont seem to find anything. I know how that feels, Im not saying you are wrong for feeling a bit down about it but thats the sort of game it is. Its hard, unforgiving, complicated, long, but thats what makes it so rewarding long term.
You got to accept that when you compare the gear you have to that of a 5000 hour player, its not going to be anywhere near as good as his. Thats a result of this game having 5000 hours + of continuous progression. But if the gear you are finding it not beating content I suggest that you need to look at the skill tree, your skills, your play style, this games depth goes beyond its items and if you cant take on content self found it means you are doing something else wrong. People start new leagues and theyre grinding into the 70s in act3 merciless on day 1, from nothing. They could do it every day because they know the game, they have the knowledge of how to use the items in conjunction with the other factors. Play the game, try different builds, increase your game knowledge and I think you'll find the 'itemisation' problems you are having will mostly disappear without the items actually changing. Its not a D3 'equip 10 billion gold of AH gear, pick 6 skills from a guide, mash keys and you win' game. Watch streamers race, watch them map, get that understanding you need.
I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
Interesting gear drops all the time, if you don't understand why its interesting gear maybe you dont know enough about different builds.
PoE has the best itemisation of any arpg, because it has the most in depth and varied mechanics of any arpg for the item stats to interact with. The gear drops are fine, if you think the gear you find is bad and you cant compete the game and start mapping self found the problem is more likely you. Your build sucks, you dont understand how to use what youve found, your skill gems arnt right, something you have done is wrong. Its not bad itemisation, its not bad drop rates which is another thing entirely.
All this shopping vs finding stuff, ok time for some real talk and some of you arnt going to like this. Because this game has a large variety of builds, stats and mechanics the variety of gear is going to be huge. A result of the fact this game has GOOD itemisation is that 95% of the items you find are not going to be good for YOUR BUILD, theyre going to be good for someone elses. Everyone is in this position, so yes more than likely you find someone elses ideal gear and they find yours and you trade with each other.
This isnt D3, this isnt the people who find their gear and grind vs the credit card warriors who sign in on day 1 and legitimately RMT billions of gold to buy top class gear. RMT is cheating in this game, and cheats aside trading gear you found while grinding is every bit as legitimate a way to get your gear as finding the bits directly. I prefer to find the bits directly, we all do, but unless you want a game with shit build diversity and shit gear diversity or drop rates so huge that within a month you find everything in the game then most of the gear you will find will be for other builds and to find all the gear you want by yourself will take a long time. Its either that or have a short, shallow, shit game.
Going self found extends the experience, it makes the game take longer, and the serious self found people out there do what they do BECAUSE of this, they dont cry about it. Anuhart is self found, his gear is crap right? No his gear is as good as my gear despite me trading and playing for over 3000 hours. How come? Hes played over 5000 hours, he has no gear problems. Orb problems yes, and this directly related to the mapping currency sink which is nothing to do with itemisation and everything to do with currency drop rates. Self found players get shit on when it comes to orbs, when it comes to gear they are getting what they are after, a prolonged game experience and character progression.
Its a long game guys, theres a long character and gear progression, theres a long endgame access progression. Its not a Dragon Age style install it on friday and youve done everything, have everything by monday morning sort of game. I know some of you log on a few times and week and grind very inefficiently for a few hours at a time and you feel like crap because you dont seem to find anything. I know how that feels, Im not saying you are wrong for feeling a bit down about it but thats the sort of game it is. Its hard, unforgiving, complicated, long, but thats what makes it so rewarding long term.
You got to accept that when you compare the gear you have to that of a 5000 hour player, its not going to be anywhere near as good as his. Thats a result of this game having 5000 hours + of continuous progression. But if the gear you are finding it not beating content I suggest that you need to look at the skill tree, your skills, your play style, this games depth goes beyond its items and if you cant take on content self found it means you are doing something else wrong. People start new leagues and theyre grinding into the 70s in act3 merciless on day 1, from nothing. They could do it every day because they know the game, they have the knowledge of how to use the items in conjunction with the other factors. Play the game, try different builds, increase your game knowledge and I think you'll find the 'itemisation' problems you are having will mostly disappear without the items actually changing. Its not a D3 'equip 10 billion gold of AH gear, pick 6 skills from a guide, mash keys and you win' game. Watch streamers race, watch them map, get that understanding you need.
Great post. Exactly the same things I've been trying to say before all the trolls interrupt.
But its the internet, people will ignore posts like this and just keep on with what they believe.
ps: and its not as easy to proofe them wrong like it was in the past with such people. you remember? they believed once the world is a disk and killed people that know it was wrong and tried to proof them till columbus failed in reaching india
DAMIT
Why you should try Harcore http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/209310/page/1
Last edited by tadl#0113 on Jan 21, 2014, 9:39:46 AM
I think the itemisation is bad because you can't sell 99,9% of drops for more then 5-10 chaos. Not about the item might be useful for you, but how much it's worth to keep.
It can take many days or months before you are able to stock a few ex in order to buy anything good or craft (expensive as fuck). Not surprising if you never will get there, depending your demand in endgame.
So yeah itemisation is bad. I classify 5+ chaos stuff as mid drop at best, still game makes it extremely rare.
Ok if it's 2+ ex stuff, so they should be rare. But what about lower class items? These are crazy rare too. Just make like 100 boss runs and you will realize this, for sure.
Happens me a lot during 100 kills I haven't been able to find more worth stuff. Everything to vendor.
