So all the 'whiners' on the forums are...

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Splift wrote:

Draw that conclusion if you will, but I am not generalizing here. I literally see someone with an insane amount of wealth saying they need more, its not enough i want more etc.

If crafting was made easier then the prices would just lower and it would be the exact same in the end, cheaper to buy the item rather than craft for 95% of the cases. That is a mechanical fact, not an opinion.

first of crafting is not hard it requires the botted currencies from other players which theyve gained from over a year old exatled orbs from 3rd party sellers trading ingame to others and one hand washes the other.

Then the rest of those bots also ammased eternal orbs and divines then the websites made a monopoly around these 3 very orbs to ensure profit.

Then Jimmy and Bob bought a stack of exalts at first once per month , then it was 10 exalts every week and you know the rest of the deal - people get hooked on fonics

This is literally and not taken out of context how crafting is right now.
Virtually impossible for a normal human being that doesnt play with at least 10more accounts simultaneously.
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get this through your skull crafting in this game is the most korean thing ive ever came across and i played Vindictus where weapons got destroyed if you failed the RNG.

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Drumheller wrote:

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Splift wrote:

If crafting was made easier then the prices would just lower and it would be the exact same in the end, cheaper to buy the item rather than craft for 95% of the cases. That is a mechanical fact, not an opinion.

Probably, but then the game would be more fun for those players that would like to use the orbs for gambling and are not interested in the economy / trading aspects.

And those that care about the economy would be in the same state once the ratios stabilized again, so no harm there.

If you don't care about the economy and trading then why are you comparing your crafting potential and wealth to other people? Last time I checked you can craft right now and get through the game like that.

Once again its all relative if they made it easier to craft stronger equipment then people would only want the next level after thant to be easier too.

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Kechop wrote:

get this through your skull crafting in this game is the most korean thing ive ever came across and i played Vindictus where weapons got destroyed if you failed the RNG.

I am much poorer than some of the people I am arguing with here and have crafted a 6l and many 5l.

If you are expecting to always profit from something that is supposed to have inherent risk/reward then you are misunderstanding the very concept of it.

Plus your post is pure tin foil hat anyways, the price is decided by people who pay the highest for it so lower level crafters will always profit more by selling it to higher levels unless they get lucky. This would be the exact same nomatter how they balanced the system.

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Splift wrote:

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Kechop wrote:

get this through your skull crafting in this game is the most korean thing ive ever came across and i played Vindictus where weapons got destroyed if you failed the RNG.

I am much poorer than some of the people I am arguing with here and have crafted a 6l and many 5l.

If you are expecting to always profit from something that is supposed to have inherent risk/reward then you are misunderstanding the very concept of it.

fusing is not alternation orb into eternal augment eternal regal eternal exalt eternal exalt etc

fusing is just that fusing and its actually not the thing we mean when talking about crafing.
I think you are misunderstanding the very concept of reading comprehension which is crafting a white or blue / rare base into a godly rare.

putting a coin into the slotmachine hoping for another link is not crafting its gambling.
the current "crafting" system is also gambling but gambling with layers of gambling inside of it so much gambling that anyone with an IQ over 80 understands how it´s a waste of energy.

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xXx_EliteHardcorePro_xXx wrote:

Not just typical forum trolls

Took a look today and realised almost all of them are closed/open beta supporters. They have also donated $200 or more to the game, and often have completed lots of challenges and have many high leveled characters.

just what the fuck

Wait, do you mean to tell me those with the most experience with the game are the best positioned to critique it?

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Splift wrote:

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Drumheller wrote:

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Splift wrote:

If crafting was made easier then the prices would just lower and it would be the exact same in the end, cheaper to buy the item rather than craft for 95% of the cases. That is a mechanical fact, not an opinion.

Probably, but then the game would be more fun for those players that would like to use the orbs for gambling and are not interested in the economy / trading aspects.

And those that care about the economy would be in the same state once the ratios stabilized again, so no harm there.

If you don't care about the economy and trading then why are you comparing your crafting potential and wealth to other people? Last time I checked you can craft right now and get through the game like that.

Once again its all relative if they made it easier to craft stronger equipment then people would only want the next level after thant to be easier too.

Maybe I am just a terrible player, but no, it is not possible to get through the game playing with only what you find. You hit a wall either at the end of Cruel or Act 3 Merciless. Then you either face trying to trade, grind for hours in hopes that something will drop, or start a new character.

So, I guess I haven't been clear. I don't care who is wealthy and who isn't. I care about having fun. I can't 'craft' when the orb drop rate is so low that I don't have the orbs to craft with. I've never seen an eternal. I've seen three exalteds drop in a year.

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Kechop wrote:

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Splift wrote:

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Kechop wrote:

get this through your skull crafting in this game is the most korean thing ive ever came across and i played Vindictus where weapons got destroyed if you failed the RNG.

I am much poorer than some of the people I am arguing with here and have crafted a 6l and many 5l.

If you are expecting to always profit from something that is supposed to have inherent risk/reward then you are misunderstanding the very concept of it.

Plus your post is pure tin foil hat anyways, the price is decided by people who pay the highest for it so lower level crafters will always profit more by selling it to higher levels unless they get lucky. This would be the exact same nomatter how they balanced the system.

fusing is not alternation orb into eternal augment eternal regal eternal exalt eternal exalt etc

fusing is just that fusing and its actually not the thing we mean when talking about crafing.
I think you are misunderstanding the very concept of reading comprehension which is crafting a white or blue / rare base into a godly rare.

putting a coin into the slotmachine hoping for another link is not crafting its gambling.
the current "crafting" system is also gambling but gambling with layers of gambling inside of it so much gambling that anyone with an IQ over 80 understands how it´s a waste of energy.

Sure its a form of gambling its balanced around that. I would question your iq for not understanding why it is like this and not understanding the repercussions of simply making it easier.

And FYI its all crafting you are the one not comprehending properly if you think trans/alt/regal/eternal/ex is the only thing that is considered crafting.

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Kechop wrote:

I think you are misunderstanding the very concept of reading comprehension which is crafting a white or blue / rare base into a godly rare.

You wrote this sentance fucked up. Normally I wouldnt point this shit out but I think its appropriate when you are questioning my reading comprehension.

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Splift wrote:

putting a coin into the slotmachine hoping for another link is not crafting its gambling.
the current "crafting" system is also gambling but gambling with layers of gambling inside of it so much gambling that anyone with an IQ over 80 understands how it´s a waste of energy.

Sure its a form of gambling its balanced around that. I would question your iq for not understanding why it is like this and not understanding the repercussions of simply making it easier.

And FYI its all crafting you are the one not comprehending properly if you think trans/alt/regal/eternal/ex is the only thing that is considered crafting.[/quote]

there are no repercussions for fixing something that is massively broken and exploited by 3rd party sites and weakminded people caving in then paying those people money.
or a coupple of OB players that exploited skindupes mirrorgear etc a few more things to name that one does not have to.

Tell me since youve a higher IQ then me which you imply to be ahold of , how baby is formed and why you think fixing something equates to breaking something else.

all the little tradekids can go suck a hundred dicks , this is a game and it needs to provide entertainment if it fails at the entertainment because it introduces frustration and loss which weve to deal with IRL it´s a failgame and failmodel in the end.

Have you seen grapsh lately ?
Most people qutting , more and more playing less and less per day and thats just shortly after release.

Broken OB items in a coupple of hands regulating the economy which i stated from the beginning of my post.
What else is there ye i literally said everything by now and others too in this thread but you´re either a very very dumb individual or sophisticated troll that stays in character trying to argue over the internet.

edit: im not even a hater btw i sincerely like this game but im not blind to the problems and i want em removed / improved not denied because denial bears no fruits besides misery.

You were the one who brought up IQ.

The ladder is ending soon, more people will come back when the next ladder and big patch comes.

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Splift wrote:

You were the one who brought up IQ.

The ladder is endging soon, more people will come back when then next ladder and big patch comes.

thats not how it works , youre supposed to bite the bait.
ye soon ladders are ending , but many people dont even care about ladders.
If players leave and leave they need to improve droprates.
If they dont more will leave.
It´s that simple its not rocketscience nor a hard task or dilemma.

It´s the devs just being ignorant towards the playerbase recently.
One can only hope they wake up from their reddit-coma - anything that site touches turns to shit.