Why GGG_Neon promote the PERMA freeze mobs and bosses?

Why do people get so pissed off about what other people are doing in this game? Play with your crew or whatever and have fun.

"

Parnelli wrote:

Why do people get so pissed off about what other people are doing in this game? Play with your crew or whatever and have fun.

Because when GGG balances the game around the extremes, it affects us all.

Nerf everything cool, leave broken as fuck boring shit like permafreeze untouched.
Cool story GGG, needs more dragons.

"

Vesuvorus wrote:

"

Parnelli wrote:

Why do people get so pissed off about what other people are doing in this game? Play with your crew or whatever and have fun.

Because when GGG balances the game around the extremes, it affects us all.

I doubt they'd balance around freeze mine, that skill set is a real all or nothing thing. On the other hand they can balance a boss around a 50k dps build or a 100k dps build or a 75 chaos resist build vs a -60 chaos resist build.

I think these bosses are probably just not meant for most players to fight without a specific build and just considered that lil extra challenge at the end if you want to push for it. I'd like to hope this isn't the case but it very well may be without some definitive input from those who made them.

"

Boem wrote:

I would love to see a boss fight that takes 25 minutes + to complete, that has a 1/2% of map drop and where people die due to stress ore making a strategical error.

But that is just me.

Close enough for ya?

"

Dravkwn wrote:

"

Vesuvorus wrote:

"

Parnelli wrote:

Why do people get so pissed off about what other people are doing in this game? Play with your crew or whatever and have fun.

Because when GGG balances the game around the extremes, it affects us all.

I doubt they'd balance around freeze mine, that skill set is a real all or nothing thing. On the other hand they can balance a boss around a 50k dps build or a 100k dps build or a 75 chaos resist build vs a -60 chaos resist build.

I think these bosses are probably just not meant for most players to fight without a specific build and just considered that lil extra challenge at the end if you want to push for it. I'd like to hope this isn't the case but it very well may be without some definitive input from those who made them.

Guy who does a lot of the balancing = guy who brought freezemine trick to the forefront, so what you say is at least somewhat flawed.

"

reboticon wrote:

Guy who does a lot of the balancing = guy who brought freezemine trick to the forefront, so what you say is at least somewhat flawed.

I'm sure you meant freeze mine tactic, and as far as flawed, you'll have to be more specific since increasing the dps of a frozen monster from 0 by 500% is still 0. You can balance a boss to a point when dps and defenses fall within a certain range, all or nothing in itself is very suggestive if not out right informative that there is no in between or balance point and thus you can't balance a boss or any monster around freeze mine.

Its highly effective and probably shouldn't exist without it being at least a dedicated build requirement. In its current standings anyone with increased AoE, elemental prolif, cold pen can use it. If they did something like making it so the only AoE that affected the skill was from your passive tree it would lose a lot of effectiveness for most players as they probably don't spec increased AoE. But this is mere speculation, still need more data for an accurate analysis and I'm not much of a data miner or care deeply enough to investigate heavily.








I do enjoy being the opposition playing counter point and when I'm too tired to game here is a good spot to debate things of interest or high activity.

There are people still defending a 4L skill being used to make 78 bosses do 0 damage while the other 5 people in the party afk click the boss until it dies? Some of these boss fights would never be done in nemesis/hc without freeze mine, let alone with hard map mods. I don't mind content being too hard to do for 99% of builds that are otherwise completely viable, even though it's a weird design decision, but having a skill that completely trivialises the difficulty of every one of those fights is much, much weirder.

You only have to watch a stream where 6 people are standing around a completely frozen screen, spamming attack without having to move, to know something is very wrong...

...and when they nerf it people will scream...

"

Guy who does a lot of the balancing = guy who brought freezemine trick to the forefront, so what you say is at least somewhat flawed.

permafreeze has been around for quite a while, and it's been in use since CB.

if anyone is to blame for it's popularity it's etup, who has been streaming it to thousands of people on a daily basis for the past two months.