After watching krip stream ROS

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eebertay wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

with self found gear it still is not a joke. same as in poe.

this is the same as with poe - you have good gear, you are OP and faceroll the content. if you have trash gear - you wont pass cruel

skill can give or take few % of general success factor. nothing more. if your 1h is 300dps+ - game will be easy. if your 1h is like 120dps+ - no amount of skill and 'logic' will help you out. gear check. both games have it

difference is d3 facilitated trading thus made process of gearing in top gear easier. poe tried to avoid that - but given that there is no alternative to trading (please - no bs about 'crafting') people will clench their fists and trade. because playing self found is possible for gear independent builds like trapper/EK. try that with wander. good luck. no skill will help you do the gear check: is your wand ok? if it is - your build works. if it isnt - buy a good wand. where is the skill in that?

haha, do you know how to craft?

ive been running a few builds out there and crafting my own items...

if i need resists or more dps, ill farm a certain area, get the ilvl i need, hit the suffix/prefix bracket i need, and hopefully roll it

im guessing youve never really played the shorter term races in poe but understanding the mechanics of these things gives you a HUGE advantage over people who dont

this game is a lot deeper than you seem to be understanding it because if you really understood the crafting system, i dont think youd be trading as much to get ahead.

via (available and reasonable) crafting you can get stuff like good affix, good prefix and get a lucky regal (if lucky, if not +1 thorns..). this is still not enough to be a good item. after that you are to eternal/exalt this stuff and this is available only for rich/rmt/scammer/lotto hosts

craft me this then:

when i once find enough orbs to start et/ex this will be the first item to try it

what item is good with 3 affixes except for vaal regalia with flat, % and hybrid? wand needs 4 rolls - flat, %, aspd, local crit. accuracy is not a waste neither. craft a good wand with alts/regals.. no way. even tyranical/etc will still pale in comparison to lucky alch that got 4 affixes instead of just 3. it is gambling - not crafting

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TheAnuhart wrote:

Best thing since Las Vegas.

this:)

and: both d3 and poe are nothing more than gear checks hidden behind thinner or thicker veil of pretended skill

want skill? play civ4 on emperor or better - play quake3 with GOOD player.

skills means little in both poe and d3. in poe this is aggravated by desync that eliminates reactionary play and twitch reactions because.. well.. nothing is where you think it is[/quote]

Thing is, gear has never been what kept me from progress in PoE.

Hell, I'll take a gear check as a gate any day, when that gear check means I can then at least try to punch above my weight.

In PoE, you punch below your weight, because that is all that is accessible, while slowly outgearing even the gated content.
Unless you group and trade heavily, which then trivialises what could be a challenge any way.

Fuck me, accessible, progressively harder content, be it pure gear check or not, is hands down a better design than this ridiculous PoE currency sink, shopping, group-trivialising, gated end game. [/quote]

id agree with you there, partially.

i find it easy to get to the end game (maps) using mostly self found gear and crafting the parts i need... as for end game stuff, its debatable...

the "currency sink" is there to keep the games economy in check...

unlike diablo3 end game items are constantly flooding the market and people resort to going offline, for their 2billion + gold transactions....which is even more shameful

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sidtherat wrote:

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eebertay wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

with self found gear it still is not a joke. same as in poe.

this is the same as with poe - you have good gear, you are OP and faceroll the content. if you have trash gear - you wont pass cruel

skill can give or take few % of general success factor. nothing more. if your 1h is 300dps+ - game will be easy. if your 1h is like 120dps+ - no amount of skill and 'logic' will help you out. gear check. both games have it

difference is d3 facilitated trading thus made process of gearing in top gear easier. poe tried to avoid that - but given that there is no alternative to trading (please - no bs about 'crafting') people will clench their fists and trade. because playing self found is possible for gear independent builds like trapper/EK. try that with wander. good luck. no skill will help you do the gear check: is your wand ok? if it is - your build works. if it isnt - buy a good wand. where is the skill in that?

haha, do you know how to craft?

ive been running a few builds out there and crafting my own items...

if i need resists or more dps, ill farm a certain area, get the ilvl i need, hit the suffix/prefix bracket i need, and hopefully roll it

im guessing youve never really played the shorter term races in poe but understanding the mechanics of these things gives you a HUGE advantage over people who dont

this game is a lot deeper than you seem to be understanding it because if you really understood the crafting system, i dont think youd be trading as much to get ahead.

via (available and reasonable) crafting you can get stuff like good affix, good prefix and get a lucky regal (if lucky, if not +1 thorns..). this is still not enough to be a good item. after that you are to eternal/exalt this stuff and this is available only for rich/rmt/scammer/lotto hosts

craft me this then:

when i once find enough orbs to start et/ex this will be the first item to try it

what item is good with 3 affixes except for vaal regalia with flat, % and hybrid? wand needs 4 rolls - flat, %, aspd, local crit. accuracy is not a waste neither. craft a good wand with alts/regals.. no way. even tyranical/etc will still pale in comparison to lucky alch that got 4 affixes instead of just 3. it is gambling - not crafting

of course theres a gambling aspect to the crafting...it keeps the economy in check...

also, thats a very nice ring you have....i think youre focused too much on it not having hp

also alchs/chaos vs alts and regals are an option of crafting....which are waaaay better than anything d3 offered

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also, try crafting a +1 gem/ spell dmg/ and or spell crit on a staff, then come and talk to me...

i couldnt tell you how much currency ive sank but its in all good fun. its part of the game and it makes it that much more challenging...and when i finally do hit that elusive trio, ill be insanely happy.

if this were d3, i would click and buy.

and the crafting system in d3 would NEVER give you the option of even considering crafting vs trading...because you just need a few mats, click the blacksmith and hope to god he gives you something decent.


theres a huge difference, i think youre missing

Died to desync yesterday.. and I died exactly the way I said I was going to get raped because of the CODT nerf... My lvl 84 would still be alive!

Never forget the CODT nerf NEVER!!!!!!!!

D3 FTW!!!

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eebertay wrote:

id agree with you there, partially.

i find it easy to get to the end game (maps) using mostly self found gear and crafting the parts i need... as for end game stuff, its debatable...

the "currency sink" is there to keep the games economy in check...

unlike diablo3 end game items are constantly flooding the market and people resort to going offline, for their 2billion + gold transactions....which is even more shameful

Well, you might agree fully, now.

Because there is no more "going offline, for their 2billion + gold transactions".

Not only will there be no RMAH, there will be no GAH and those xxxB items are account bound.

The content is not gated, the loot is not merely buyable.

What we have is (with the extreme customisable difficulty) an ever lasting progression, with no shortcuts and no gates other than the gear you get, yourself, from actually progressing the accessible content.

Sounds fkn good to me.

I was watching different stream today..and it was nice change to see someone using whirlwind without breaking the game..

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eebertay wrote:

and the crafting system in d3 would NEVER give you the option of even considering crafting vs trading...because you just need a few mats, click the blacksmith and hope to god he gives you something decent.
theres a huge difference, i think youre missing

Yup, in PoE, you click with right mouse button on Alchemy or Chaos orb and hope to God he gives you something decent.

Huge difference.

I watched 5 minutes of the stream and fell asleep.

PoE isn't perfect. Far from it I'll be honest.

But I feel like D3 is just lacking in every department.

Art, style, complexity, diversity, and characters. Even PoE's flat characters are like double d's compared to D3's surfboard.

It's chill. fun console game, we pc players marely play ported console version... And on top of that consoles have better d3 version, so in the end we play poorly ported console game.

I got pretty bored and I like D3s combat for fluidity.
but then Im always bored when watching someone play poe also.

these games are far better when playing them yourself imo.
I was so bored when he was doing old act 3/act 4 content I was literally falling asleep, and while I was awake for first few quests of the new act, shit seemed the same after. same dungeons, same meh color scheme. meh skills that looked good but didnt offer any strategic gameplay option (unlike, say, torchlight)..

with all that said, Ill probably buy the expansion, but I doubt it ever becomes even close to poe or tl2 or d2