General Discussion - Is it really that bad to cancel a trade and accept a higher offer? - Forum

If you wanna be a scumbag trader, theres nothing ingame to prevent it. Next thread Im sure will be "I said Id give 4 softcore exalts for his 2 hardcore, but he gave first, so is it really that bad if I dont pay him?"	Posted by zzcorey#1879 on Oct 11, 2013, 7:56:13 PM Quote this Post
im curious what the item was? IGN: Blackroset	Posted by Dunnzo#3003 on Oct 11, 2013, 8:02:18 PM Quote this Post
Break a deal, face the wheel.	Posted by Yogsothoz#7872 on Oct 11, 2013, 8:20:21 PM Quote this Post
@McNig Yes, those principles governs economics, roughly speaking. However, they can not be applied it this situation. In said situation the seller has foregone the right to sell to someone else by binding himself, most willingly and with good intentions, to a deal. The one offering the highest price gets the deal and when the deal is sealed backing out can not be justified by profit. One can argue that the seller should have done more reaserch into potential buyers. As I stated above, the seller binds himself willingly. Last edited by Ygge#3154 on Oct 11, 2013, 8:29:16 PM	Posted by Ygge#3154 on Oct 11, 2013, 8:25:40 PM Quote this Post
" McNig wrote: What the hell is wrong with you all? Do you all really feel that just because you had your hope given up it is a forbidden taboo of the holy world of trading? There is a simple principle within this situation. The one with the greater desire for the good(s) and is willing to take more of the cost to the supplier, deserves the good. It is simple economics. It's purely arbitrary to say that you shouldn't agree to a deal then back out instead of looking at it in the real meaningfulness of traditional trade. You may feel this is unfortunate to the one who gets outbid but think of the man who has a greater desire and need willing to use what he earned to get what they want. Do they not have as much right if not more to obtain what they desire and does the one with the item for trade not deserve what they can get? Why does the feelings of one person outweigh the happiness of two others and even when there is no logic behind selling an item for less then what you can get. The person selling the item gave their "word" when circumstances were different and i feel it is justified to alter the informal agreement when circumstances change (finding a better deal). ¨anyone can buy OCP stock¨	Posted by thenewapollo#6906 on Oct 11, 2013, 8:27:51 PM Quote this Post
" Is it really that bad to cancel a trade and accept a higher offer? In my opinion, yes, it is. When you make an agreement the other party has every right to expect you to honor that agreement and every right to be pissed if you don't. Call me old fashioned, but I value integrity both in others and in myself. There is no other measure of a man that cannot be taken from him. That's why I value my integrity far beyond anything in a game or any material wealth in real life. Integrity matters in everything you do, whether in the real world or a virtual world. You just have to decide what kind of person you want to be and accept whatever consequences come of that choice, whether positive or negative. Overly philosophical bidness aside, there's obviously nothing to prevent anyone from breaking an agreement they've made in game. That's part of why I don't play the trading game. I very much prefer the mini-game of killing monsters for my swag. Last edited by Thaelyn#0781 on Oct 11, 2013, 8:57:34 PM	Posted by Thaelyn#0781 on Oct 11, 2013, 8:56:56 PM Quote this Post
" Ygge wrote: @McNig Yes, those principles governs economics, roughly speaking. However, they can not be applied it this situation. In said situation the seller has foregone the right to sell to someone else by binding himself, most willingly and with good intentions, to a deal. The one offering the highest price gets the deal and when the deal is sealed backing out can not be justified by profit. One can argue that the seller should have done more reaserch into potential buyers. As I stated above, the seller binds himself willingly. "The one offering the highest price gets the deal" - not from what people are saying. And why can they not be applied in this situation? What binding is there? From what I see in the game there is a trade screen and accept button and until that button is pressed by both parties of interest there is no "sealed deal". The only thing the customer has lost in this situation is time and unless a large amount of it was invested into the trade it should be taken as a very very small opportunity cost to that customer.	Posted by McZan#4120 on Oct 11, 2013, 9:00:14 PM Quote this Post
¨anyone can buy OCP stock¨[/quote] I'm not familiar with "OCP" can you elaborate?	Posted by McZan#4120 on Oct 11, 2013, 9:02:21 PM Quote this Post
Personally I like to follow through on a deal, but I make exceptions... But onto a relative subject--Sorry to de-rail but the previous poster brought up another ethical debate I've always wondered about...Phantom(fake) bidding. Yes? or No? I think this is the lowest form and see it all the time (as the previous poster admitted). I'm strongly opposed to this, I just wonder where the majority of players stand..I'm sure many players go so far as to create alternate accounts just to bump their own trades..It's laughable to see them in the trade channel advertising blatant lies for c/o's as if it was believable. This is a game but I think this reflects the inner fabric of people.	Posted by neonive#4501 on Oct 11, 2013, 9:03:10 PM Quote this Post
Neonive I feel the same way. I learn many many things about people from playing diablo 2 as a child and in that game there was a lot more bartering with items. This posed the implications of uncertainty in matching the value of an item, at the time within the ladder, with other items and the combination of items to obtain something you want. I loved it. It adds a certain skill to trading and allows more room for bargaining. Some people don't enjoy playing the market and want an easy set price. This I find boring. The more time you spend within the trade game the more familiar you would become with the price ranges and tricks to help sway the customer. It is just like playing the game itself, at first you suck but the more time you spend in it the better and better you get, why not in the trade system as well? It's a bit a scum move to phantom but it's even more satisfying when you give an offer to that person and they come back to you saying some bullshit on why there previous buyer backed out... your intuition to call them out and spot such a trick makes you the winner. It's just another area of the game to explore in my opinion.	Posted by McZan#4120 on Oct 11, 2013, 9:14:55 PM Quote this Post