Manually trading with people is great fun!

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Saboth wrote:

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TEBird6 wrote:

ahh the joys of manual trading in Poe, with many great experiences like these I cannot even begin to imagine why some "noobs" want automated trade shops ;-)

A few more.

The "I don't answer your private messages guy."
"I'd like to buy your so and so. How much are you looking to get for it?"
No answer. Did they see the message? Did they get 50 messages about it and yours was lost? Are they one of those aholes that act like they are the god of trading with the philosophy: "No reply = not interested"? No one knows.

The "I will not budge guy."
"I saw you want 6 gcp for your item. Will you take 5 gcp and one chaos?" "I'll take 5 GCP and 3 chaos." Umm, that's still 6 gcp...

the I will not budge guy is ok imo. it could be frustrating, but seller reserves the right to not go below a certain price. it's understandable.

the former is the one I hate the most. just getting *some* kind of reply would be really helpful. even if it is 'lol no'.

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ARealJerk wrote:

The problem is the currency.

Only few have alot of it.
Its hard to obtain it
When you have it you arent sure what its worth
After grinding people want a payoff not overpay
etc, etc...

At low levels its fine because your items are upgrading. Once you get to the point where you want to start rolling items and using currency everything costs too much. You could blow through your findings from 1-70 on a single item trying to get 5l. Hell even trying to get a decent roll on anything really. Sigh...

Currency is not hard to obtain, its just mindless grind.

If you dont like mindless grind, then I feel sorry for you but doing normal bosses with good IIR/IIQ can get you loads of currency quite fast (I am dropping about 10 rares on Merveil with about 300IIR)

The thing most people fail to understand is theres a difference between looking for awesome loot in high lvl maps or merciless bosses, leveling your character in easy maps or farming areas like docks / catacombs and farming currency in lower lvl areas.

When i launch the game I know what I am looking for and act accordingly.

There was some talk about lore-friendly trading and a suggestion like this:

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As chance would have it, we have an npc or two extra in every town. I'm guessing it wouldn't be too hard to make, say, Bestel sell your stuff for you. You just give him your items, probably no more then five at a time, name a price in several desired currency types or leave it blank to accept offers and just continue playing. Once something gets sold your marauder gets a message on his trusty Nokia 3310 and you can hop to town at earliest convenience to collect your money or check on your offers.

Yes, it's kind of an auction house but it's lore-friendly, and I suppose not even Bestel or Silk wouldn't dare to swindle someone who killed Brutus and Merveil. Yeah, handy shop search feature would be available too, any impromptu trader keeps extensive tabs on his stock.

Not that I care much, having my trading limited to gems and build-enablers but I guess it would facilitate thing for those that do it. Whaddaya think, would it improve the game or make us lose that fine community spirit that infuses every contact with our fellow gamers?

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ARealJerk wrote:

The problem is the currency.

Only few have alot of it.
Its hard to obtain it

No it is not hard to obtain currency, but I see this complaint only from people who do not trade. You're quite appropriate example of that - no shop, no sell threads.. just nothing.

The problem is in players themselves, as they would expect that by reaching level 70-80, you should have enough currency to fully gear-up, fully max-link everything. But then I ask: "Where's the fun aspect in that?". That is probably what new generation games offer - crush through anything without any (real) intellectual investment in tactics, economy, your character capabilities, as the game just holds your hand throughout.

Okay, lets cut with assumptions from my side, but the point what I'm trying to sway across - do not ever leave "/trade 1" channel, as that will help (over time ofc.) you with prices, currency ratios, demand, etc.

Currency can be made with just few Alchemy Orbs:
1) buy demanded, good starting uniques for 1-2 Alchemy Orbs - sell for 1 Chaos;
2) sell that Chaos for 3 Alchemy;
3) rinse repeat.
Chaos:Alch ratio taken from Onslaught, but you get the point. And with time and experience you'll be able to stretch your abilities to a new levels of trading.

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When you have it you arent sure what its worth

That's why you have to trade all the time, as it will feed your knowledge, which leads to better sense of prices. Also staying in trade chat is a very, very good idea.

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At low levels its fine because your items are upgrading. Once you get to the point where you want to start rolling items and using currency everything costs too much. You could blow through your findings from 1-70 on a single item trying to get 5l. Hell even trying to get a decent roll on anything really. Sigh...

So, the underline is that you want everything for free, without any investment from your side.

@1988288

Sorry, but i just have to assume you're a bad troll, that's how much your advices suck. People are complaining because they have to trade to progress and they do not want/like to do it, if they did they would play lemonade tycoon.

And try to avoid the 'tactics' argument in the future, that one gave you away the most.
Heh, tactics... what tactics? Very funny, hilarious in fact :)

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raics wrote:

@1988288

Sorry, but i just have to assume you're a bad troll, that's how much your advices suck.

That is not what we call a rebuttal.

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People are complaining because they do not want/like to trade, if they did they would play lemonade tycoon.

Why would someone not want to trade in non-guaranteed-loot-drop game? I can just think of "self-found" play, but other than that.. why? It doesn't take much time to post stuff you're selling in /trade 1-10.

Just say it out loud - "I want loot/currency for free!".

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And try to avoid the 'tactics' argument in the future, that one gave you away the most.
Heh, tactics... what tactics? Very funny :)

I forgive the horrid comprehension you have, as English is not your native (it isn't mine as well though).
That wasn't targeted at PoE, but you can find certain "tactics" or just nuances, which sums up and gives you an edge over other players in PoE as well. Be it game-play nuances, or trading nuances.

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raics wrote:

@1988288

Sorry, but i just have to assume you're a bad troll, that's how much your advices suck. People are complaining because they have to trade to progress and they do not want/like to do it, if they did they would play lemonade tycoon.

And try to avoid the 'tactics' argument in the future, that one gave you away the most.
Heh, tactics... what tactics? Very funny, hilarious in fact :)

More and more taboos are creeping into this forum:
- There are people who don't want to trade to progress.
- There are people who don't want to craft to progress.
- There are people who don't want to play maps to progress.
- There are people who don't want to party to progress.
- There are people who don't want to use IIQ/IIR to progress.
- There are people who only want to play their crappy build and progress.
and I have probably forgotten quite a few.

In PoE having a few taboos is feasible until you hit a certain level, depending on your particular taboo. After that, your progress stops. You blame the game, I blame your taboo. I did not like trading and I did not like partying, and that stopped me around level 80 or so. I go rid of my hangups, and have progressed. And you know what? Trading and partying are actually fun.

And just like there are people who are good at killing mobs, there are people who are good at trading. The trading tactic described above works, many rich guys would be happy to unload a bunch of their uniques at the same time for some alcs (not even 1 each!), instead of selling them for a chaos over time, as they have bigger fish to fry. You can profit from that reluctance.

There are more effective ways, but I (and presumably the other poster) are not about to share them on a public forum. What he described was a way of developing new ways on your own, by starting with observing other traders, and I would advise you to do so. Not that I think you will, because you will probably prefer barking at the moon and calling names.

-- Flapdrol (which is Finnish for Bad Troll)

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Flapdrol wrote:

More and more taboos are creeping into this forum:

There are more effective ways, but I (and presumably the other poster) are not about to share them on a public forum. What he described was a way of developing new ways on your own, by starting with observing other traders, and I would advise you to do so. Not that I think you will, because you will probably prefer barking at the moon and calling names.

-- Flapdrol (which is Finnish for Bad Troll)

It's not a taboo. He dropped into a thread full of people who don't like/want to trade and said 'hey, why don't you TRADE'.

Similar situation:
User 18593593 dropped onto a cyclist thread where a certain gentleman asks for an advice on buying a bicycle and best routes for traveling to work because driving a car all the time gave him hemorrhoids.
User 1094785345 is amazed at that, he has no idea what bikes are good and which routes are fast so he suggests: "why don't you buy a car?".

Thanks for the lesson in Finnish, I find 'fapdrol' strangely appropriate for such.

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1988288 wrote:

I forgive the horrid comprehension you have, as English is not your native (it isn't mine as well though).
That wasn't targeted at PoE, but you can find certain "tactics" or just nuances, which sums up and gives you an edge over other players in PoE as well. Be it game-play nuances, or trading nuances.

Then use 'setup', 'build' or 'plan', 'tactics' is misleading in games like this. It implies you are required to do something else besides stacking defense and auras, spamming one or two skills at most and picking up loot.

1988288 is completely right and you call him a troll.

The problem is gamers like you I call them the new blizzard generation of gamers has been thought to get everything on a plate by pushing 5 buttons.

Its really a travesty what blizzard have done to the new generation of gamers.

POE belong to the old school of thought. POE is not easy it can be brutal and if you want to be lvl 100 or get the best items you have to work hard for it.

And why is that? Because it means alot more for you when you finally succeed.

And if you crybabies and whiners would spend half of much time in a trade channel then you spend on the forum whining like you always do then you problems would be solved

There will never be an AH in poe. GGG wont give you free ex for killing a couple of mobs if you cant get that into you thick skulls maybe the game isn't for you

Also I got several friends who are selffound in onslaught and they seem to be doing fine even without trading

PS im sorry if I come out as an ass hole but Jesus Christ gamers have some fucking dignity and start be creative instead of just crying on the forums like a little schoolgirl

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Burmeister99 wrote:

1988288 is completely right and you call him a troll.

He is, but his advices are so horridly misplaced he seems like a troll.

Or, to draw upon a car guy again - he really knows the fastest way for the noob bicycle guy to get to work. Unfortunately, bicycle guy doesn't want to use a car so his advice, even if made in best of intentions is useless as a third testicle.