The pay to win Situation / PTW players

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phantomboy wrote:

1) You only had lvl 70+ characters. A 100 of them still means you can't access end game 70-77 maps.

2) Those wealthy in game players are hardcore. Plays at least 8 to 15 hours everyday. Reaches end game content faster than 99% of the other players. Moreover, they do not play 15 daily at docks. They play in 70-77 maps.

3) They acquire items 99% of the players can't get. Sell them for great prices because of insane demand. Thus able to grow steadily in terms of item progression.

4) They usually have a consistent group of friends to party and share map pool. Combining the strength of each players who already plays well, these parties are extremely efficient.

5) You are already at the mid to late stages of the league. You are only lvl 70+. What can you sell from there other than a lucky rare unique or currency drop? You will only get poorer if you keep re-creating lvl 70 characters, while the hardcore players keep progressing.

now please tell me - do you think there's nothing wrong with that?
can you reach level 85+ playing alone? trading fairly? running with Magic Find as a secondary or even a tertiary property on your gear? with a custom build instead of yet another cookie-cutting Dual-Sporker? a melee, Kuduku-forbid?

sadly, I feel solo self-found would still be nonviable even after Act 3x and Act 4 are added.
what is an RNG-wall now, would simply become a gear-check-wall later (which means an indirect RNG-wall).

RNG is the real almighty god of Path Of Exile, not Dominus. not even Kuduku.
he's absolutely everywhere, and he doesn't believe in "rewarding the righteous".
on the contrary. you might say he's the almighty Satan of Path Of Exile, actually.

test your skills and push solo for level 100? yeah, right. not in a million years.
not even if you are the undisputed Starcraft champion of South Korea, and eat Bullet-Hell games for breakfast. a.k.a greatest gamer in the history of gaming.

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Nightstone13 wrote:

I have been playing a while now on several accounts. 8 plus chars in the 70's. 15 plus at various other levels. In that time I have seen 2 Exalts. I have seen 0 really valuable unique items. I have a 1 6L and a few 5Ls. I run my chars with high IR/IQ. I'm not complaining about this...

Yet through out this forum I see players with huge amounts of wealth.

There is no way you can convince me that one person can get all their gems to 20. All items a max sockets and color coded. Then add in all high end drops.

So who thinks there are a fair number of PAY TO WIN FOLKS?

Fain

make a single character and work your ass on it if you want to gather wealth that's how most 80+ people do it and that's how you should do it.
I got 4 pure exalts droped , 1 from selling a item and 21 gcp(a.ka 1 and half more) from selling.
If it where pay to win any noob would go rmt and get lvl 90 instead they die in lvl 66 maps and complain about xp lost

tldr: i'm 85 and i only invested my currency in the map so yeah you can do it, but you really need to work hard to do it

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Novalisk wrote:

I'm guessing you just don't play a lot. 8+ chars in the 70's doesn't take that much playtime (kripp reaches 70 on a char in 2 days).

RMT is an issue with any online RPG, and GGG does a better job than any dev out there when it comes to kicking RMT ass.

If you are going to say it doesn't take long to get to 70 don't use one of the top players in the game to justify you comment. How long does it take you to get to 70? Saying its easy cause the top 5% of the player base can do it in 2 days just makes you look like a fool. I have only ever had 1 70 but I can safely say I've put more hours into this game than most other people. I usually get into the 60's and reroll because my RNG sucks so bad and I'm not grinding to mid 70's at docks before I even start 66 maps.

I have to agree with the OP. Not because he doesn't believe people can trade for that much wealth but because the RMT is so damn cheap. Hell people on streams have slipped and admitted they buy currency.

Its not all on the players though. GGG is to blame as well. As a solo player I have to admit I've been tempted. I started playing almost a year before open beta with only a couple month breaks up until a recent 4month break. But in that time I have found 2 exalts(one in early CB and one in anarchy), a couple divines, maybe 15-20 GCP, One 5link (bow in anarchy), and up until anarchy only a handful of uniques.

Now I understand RNG is RNG. That's why I am not on the forums bitching about my drops. And that's why I don't care about RMT people. I will continue to be a solo player and a mostly self found player (have traded for gems and only ever sold a couple pieces of gear). Maybe that means I will never play many maps(lack of good gear) and maybe that means I will never see a lvl 100 toon. But frankly I don't care. The game is a ton of fun. I will continue to support GGG and PoE until a better single/solo player isometric loot whore ARPG experience comes out.

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Dimitrii_ss2 wrote:

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Nightstone13 wrote:

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make a single character and work your ass on it if you want to gather wealth that's how most 80+ people do it and that's how you should do it.
I got 4 pure exalts droped , 1 from selling a item and 21 gcp(a.ka 1 and half more) from selling.
If it where pay to win any noob would go rmt and get lvl 90 instead they die in lvl 66 maps and complain about xp lost

tldr: i'm 85 and i only invested my currency in the map so yeah you can do it, but you really need to work hard to do it

GGG claims you drops are the same from level 1 to level 100 as far as currency goes. Now obviously at higher levels you can kill faster and more efficiently so your ability to gain loot is much higher. I play as much as the "hardcore" players but I play solo self found for the most part and I can tell you if your RNG is terrible you are screwed. Take away the quantity bonus from group play and the ability for one of them to run pure IIR/IIQ and even the "hardcore" wouldn't be where they are at.

P2W is for real, but so can making currency via trading or opening up a shop. Not to mention, you can get wealth by playing the game early/fast at the beginning of a league.

this game definitely needs solo league.


i personally don't want to experience diablo 3 again where party was so shitty that solo was the only way. it can never be equal.


best way is to just separate them.

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Dudebag wrote:

this game definitely needs solo league.


i personally don't want to experience diablo 3 again where party was so shitty that solo was the only way. it can never be equal.


best way is to just separate them.

I enjoy grouping, I just hate trading

I think it's possible to make a trading-disabled league without disabling partying too

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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square0 wrote:

I think it's possible to make a trading-disabled league without disabling partying too

Yeah, it was called 'Closed Beta'.

Don't remind me :(

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xenogias wrote:

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Novalisk wrote:

I'm guessing you just don't play a lot. 8+ chars in the 70's doesn't take that much playtime (kripp reaches 70 on a char in 2 days).

RMT is an issue with any online RPG, and GGG does a better job than any dev out there when it comes to kicking RMT ass.

If you are going to say it doesn't take long to get to 70 don't use one of the top players in the game to justify you comment. How long does it take you to get to 70? Saying its easy cause the top 5% of the player base can do it in 2 days just makes you look like a fool.

Takes me about a week to get a character to 70, but I'm casual as hell and take a lot of breaks.

Anyway it's not just about reaching 70+, it's that to get the best items you gotta do high maps, which takes playing at late 70's-early 80's. OP is just leveling characters to 70 so he isn't getting good rares or base items for trade.

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johnKeys wrote:

now please tell me - do you think there's nothing wrong with that?
can you reach level 85+ playing alone? trading fairly? running with Magic Find as a secondary or even a tertiary property on your gear? with a custom build instead of yet another cookie-cutting Dual-Sporker? a melee, Kuduku-forbid?

I am a prime example of a player who's done so. Did not use magic find. Self-found, self-crafted until mid-80's point at which I grouped with other like-minded players.

I made my own 5L too btw. I only bought my quiver, gloves, bow and amulet like 2 months after I could find no upgrade because what I needed was too specific to craft on my own.