This is getting a bit ridiculous... Reflect Damage Bug from Patch 11.1

Dont use multistrike. With multistrike, if the 1st attack crits the other 2 will crit as well. And when u attack with multistrike once, you always attack 3 times and cant stop the attacks. Thats why multistrike is a rly bad gem against reflect. Try using faster attacks instead of it on reflect maps, should save you a lot of deaths.

Hmm maybe it's the old 'boosted' damage (that was fixed earlier) that somehow crawled into reflect % damage, but it makes no sense. I haven't noticed much in terms of damage, but my current setup is 35k armor/very fast attack speed weaps/multistrike so AR just eats everything, and about no crits so... it proves nothing really.

However if crits were 2nd part of the damage spike we got (it's just the normal mob damage that got put back, noone/nothing mentions crits being investigated at all) and it's still whacko, might be that it somehow influences reflected damage on crits (as enfeeble and map mods do, it is a possibility).

Guess I'll have to check on some legacy toon that actually has crits to confirm that however, so this is just speculation.

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JahIthBerTirUmMalLumKoKoMal wrote:

A few notes / tips

(1) A crit physical build is going to be super deadly because of the way armor works. RT builds shouldnt hurt given enough armor / hp because of no crits

(2) 4 endurance charges is not the max ... 7 with passive nodes and quest, and 9 with 2 unique kaom rings. I recommend 6 charges minimum on marauder.

(3) I think 18k armor with granite is weak. 30k minimum with granite on, imho, if you are running crit physical + reflect.

(4) How much accuracy and crit chance you running? I doubt you have more than 1k accuracy and 25% crit

(5) Very interested about this enfeeble / map + monster mods business effecting reflect, where did you get this from?

I do not need tips from you. I was not born yesterday.

Crit physical builds are fine as long as you calculate the maximum possible reflected damage, which worked fine up until patch 11.1.

4 Endurance charges = Max for MY MARAUDER. I understand how it can be difficult for you to understand we are talking about MY character here but just bare with me.

I don't care what you think is weak. The point is that I was not dying to reflect because I was using a strategy to work around it. A strategy which worked for MONTHS. Sadly the bugged damage doesn't give a fuck about my strategy.

Accuracy does not determine my maximum damage per hit. It determines my dps which does not really matter when I broke down all the damage calculations for you.

If you did not now about enfeeble+map mods affecting reflect I don't know why I am even wasting my time with you and the other buffoons in this thread. I hope everyone can stop talking out of their ass and an actual dev can come in here and look into this bug.

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slemenik wrote:

Dont use multistrike. With multistrike, if the 1st attack crits the other 2 will crit as well. And when u attack with multistrike once, you always attack 3 times and cant stop the attacks. Thats why multistrike is a rly bad gem against reflect. Try using faster attacks instead of it on reflect maps, should save you a lot of deaths.

Please use your brain. Your brain is a really good gem in this thread, where math and past experiences are involved. Thanks.

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Sodomee wrote:

I don't know why I am even wasting my time with you and the other buffoons in this thread. I hope everyone can stop talking out of their ass and an actual dev can come in here and look into this bug.

Why would a dev want to take juvenile verbal abuse from someone who calls himself "Sodomee"?

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RogueMage wrote:

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Sodomee wrote:

I don't know why I am even wasting my time with you and the other buffoons in this thread. I hope everyone can stop talking out of their ass and an actual dev can come in here and look into this bug.

Why would a dev want to take juvenile verbal abuse from someone who calls himself "Sodomee"?

I don't know, because maybe I am respectful towards those who use their brain and actually read and comprehend my posts. I wouldn't verbally abuse a dev, I support the devs and I am very respectful with them and have been respectful with everyone on these forums... up until a bunch of people felt the need to spew nonsense in my thread.

Also who doesn't like a little sodomee every now and then? Must be virgin or something, in that case shouldn't you be studying for school or something useful?

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thepmrc wrote:

Physical Crit builds have always had a very tough time with reflect damage. What's new here? In fact, I would say physical reflect makes physical crit builds nearly non-viable without a secondary attack skill.

You seriously expect to cleave into double physical reflect stacks with nearly 600% crit multiplier and be fine? That is just idiocy... and I think reflect is a pretty dumb mechanic to begin with, but you are just asking to die.

I take out my gems and calculate the maximum damage that can be reflected and I've never killed myself to reflect using this strategy except after patch 11.1. Obviously something changed because 3 people(including myself) posted on the forums stating that they have experienced a bug with reflected damage since the 11.1 patch.

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slemenik wrote:

*Mod edit: Post removed - Ad Hominem*

I didn't say I didn't want people to comment on it. If you are going to ignore the first page of posts and post on my thread without using your brain, be ready to be called out on it. From all of these posts I am reading, I can come to a conclusion about a number of things:

1. You guys do not play physical crit builds.

2. You guys do not know how to handle reflect, and just avoid it.

3. You guys cannot read.

4. You guys cannot comprehend mathematics.

Posting on this subject, therefore, makes you all look like complete idiots and I am only calling it how I see it.

There is only a few people in this thread who are actually using their brain such as DeathDiciple, TonyG87, Balguez, Courageous, and lolozori.

The funny thing is that even a guy with broken English can see a problem here, and although the people on the forums seem to make him out to be a joke he is actually much more intelligent than most of the people in this thread.

Wont even bother I guess.

so Sodomee, am I to understand you see me - and anyone else who commented in this thread (save the few you mentioned) - as an idiot?

if so, I regret every second I wasted here. every second I wasted writing you a reply you clearly don't deserve.

trying to get a GGG team member to respond in a thread, which you started about a very serious problem, then promptly deteriorated into insults and personal attacks? good luck with that.

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Sodomee wrote:

I love how thew first guy who started posted after SL4Y3R completely ignores my posts and my math and writes down all this nonsense math that he made up in his head. If you read my posts the math is there. Then some buffoons come in and talk about me QQing about reflect and the mechanics of reflect. Why don't you guys check my join date? It is February of 2012. I have been dealing with reflect well before you guys knew what Path of Exile even was. I don't need to be educated about reflect. The point of this thread is that since Patch 11.1 REFLECT IS BUGGED. Are you guys illiterate? trolling? or just plain stupid? Reflect is doing a lot more damage than it should and that is the problem. A problem which did NOT EXIST before patch 11.1. Don't ask me to post a link to a dev post about reflect scaling with damage, enfeeble, or being able to be blocked/evaded. If you did not know this, you shouldn't be posting in this thread.

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JahIthBerTirUmMalLumKoKoMal wrote:

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Balguez wrote:

I can't show you a dev post, but I'm 100% sure enfeeble and inc. monster dmg, from map or from a rare, effects reflect damage.

I play chars with a weak spot to reflect since CB.

then its simple

they patched the damage bug overnight, rares and champs were dealing tons more dmg. OP must have played when the bug was around, and should try again

its very strange that reflect be effected by those mods and enfeebel though, very very strange

This is the very same reason why I made sure to include that this bug affected be BEFORE AND AFTER 11.1C

i was only trying to help out

your math is a bit off, you dont calculate certain things properly, just saying. and youre the only one i ever heard this from, abt enfeeble block evade and other mods effecting it.

and my correct math showed that you can easily 1 to 2 shot yourself with a crit with that dps and armor combo.

so like I said, if anything, it could be reflect is NOW WORKING PROPERLY when before it wasnt. Not the other way round. THEY DID STATE that theres a change to the way damage is calculated now.

And yes, it could be a bug too. No need to be so rude

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Sodomee wrote:

I do not need tips from you. I was not born yesterday.

Crit physical builds are fine as long as you calculate the maximum possible reflected damage, which worked fine up until patch 11.1.

4 Endurance charges = Max for MY MARAUDER. I understand how it can be difficult for you to understand we are talking about MY character here but just bare with me.

I don't care what you think is weak. The point is that I was not dying to reflect because I was using a strategy to work around it. A strategy which worked for MONTHS. Sadly the bugged damage doesn't give a fuck about my strategy.

Accuracy does not determine my maximum damage per hit. It determines my dps which does not really matter when I broke down all the damage calculations for you.

If you did not now about enfeeble+map mods affecting reflect I don't know why I am even wasting my time with you and the other buffoons in this thread. I hope everyone can stop talking out of their ass and an actual dev can come in here and look into this bug.

look at me wasting my time with this childish prick, i hope you die to reflect a 1000 times over.

its really ironic though that youre such a fekin pro and yet you cant find a simple alternative attack on swap to counter reflect, or easiest of all ... immortal call ... yeah so oldschool veteran pro player LUL, really pathetic XD

4 charges max ... every melee build out there I see with 6 or 7 ... yeah sorry you are a god tho who dies to reflect and qq's about it .... moving on ...

Accuracy does not determine my maximum damage per hit. --> i never stated otherwise, LOL

OH YEAH YOU SO COOL BRO YOU BEEN PLAYING POE SINCE IT WAS IN THE DEVS HEADS AND YOU DONT NEED NOBODYS ADVICE!

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