This is getting a bit ridiculous... Reflect Damage Bug from Patch 11.1

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Sodomee wrote:
I said I had no problem when removing the gems. Obviously I would own myself with the gems in lol. 11k of the dps is pure physical and min damage on each sword is 400-500. A crit would be 2-2.5k minimum phy damage on each sword per hit in a multistrike of 3 hits.

I will always die if leave my gems in that is a given. Now I take out my gems and one of my swords to counter reflect maps. Perandus shield is GG because I gain 1% block instead of losing a shit ton of block lol.

They are not sure about the bug, but they have gotten multiple reports of the damage bug. So it is likely to be true.


lets hope they fix it quick, then

[quote="DirkAustin"]They can always make a loser league where Monsters do no damage and you one shot everything. Goodness, people, just don't play in the hard parts of the game if you cant handle them.[/quote]

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Ziellos wrote:
Your damage being reflected counts as the monster damage, thus you deal more damage to yourself with enfeeble.. Maybe this wasn't your intent but it works like that.
No, it really doesn't, and never has. There isn't any possible way for it to "count as the monster damage", and the monsters stats cannot affect it like that at all. Enfeeble does not have any effect on the damage reflected back to you, unless it's on you and thus affecting the damage you dealt in the first place.
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Mark_GGG wrote:
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Ziellos wrote:
Your damage being reflected counts as the monster damage, thus you deal more damage to yourself with enfeeble.. Maybe this wasn't your intent but it works like that.
No, it really doesn't, and never has. There isn't any possible way for it to "count as the monster damage", and the monsters stats cannot affect it like that at all. Enfeeble does not have any effect on the damage reflected back to you, unless it's on you and thus affecting the damage you dealt in the first place.


can you confirm there is a bug with player damage?
[quote="DirkAustin"]They can always make a loser league where Monsters do no damage and you one shot everything. Goodness, people, just don't play in the hard parts of the game if you cant handle them.[/quote]

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Mark_GGG wrote:
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Ziellos wrote:
Your damage being reflected counts as the monster damage, thus you deal more damage to yourself with enfeeble.. Maybe this wasn't your intent but it works like that.
No, it really doesn't, and never has. There isn't any possible way for it to "count as the monster damage", and the monsters stats cannot affect it like that at all. Enfeeble does not have any effect on the damage reflected back to you, unless it's on you and thus affecting the damage you dealt in the first place.


Evading reflected attack damage is based on the monster's accuracy correct? Meaning that since enfeeble lowers accuracy rating it allows you to evade reflected attack damage more often?
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Last edited by Sodomee#2062 on Jul 1, 2013, 3:30:46 AM
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Sodomee wrote:
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Mark_GGG wrote:
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Ziellos wrote:
Your damage being reflected counts as the monster damage, thus you deal more damage to yourself with enfeeble.. Maybe this wasn't your intent but it works like that.
No, it really doesn't, and never has. There isn't any possible way for it to "count as the monster damage", and the monsters stats cannot affect it like that at all. Enfeeble does not have any effect on the damage reflected back to you, unless it's on you and thus affecting the damage you dealt in the first place.


Evading reflected attack damage is based on the monster's accuracy correct? Meaning that since enfeeble lowers accuracy rating it allows you to evade reflected attack damage more often?


even if you could block / evade reflect and enfeeble helped ... unwavering stance?
[quote="DirkAustin"]They can always make a loser league where Monsters do no damage and you one shot everything. Goodness, people, just don't play in the hard parts of the game if you cant handle them.[/quote]

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Sodomee wrote:
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Mark_GGG wrote:
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Ziellos wrote:
Your damage being reflected counts as the monster damage, thus you deal more damage to yourself with enfeeble.. Maybe this wasn't your intent but it works like that.
No, it really doesn't, and never has. There isn't any possible way for it to "count as the monster damage", and the monsters stats cannot affect it like that at all. Enfeeble does not have any effect on the damage reflected back to you, unless it's on you and thus affecting the damage you dealt in the first place.


Evading reflected attack damage is based on the monster's accuracy correct? Meaning that since enfeeble lowers accuracy rating it allows you to evade reflected attack damage more often?


you got your answer. read it again.
monster stats do not affect reflect, and accuracy (of the monster) is a stat.
I don't think it is possible to evade reflected damage, unless you have some extremely-weird scenario where you could evade your own attack - whatever the heck that means :)

like I said earlier, dealing with reflect "the Math way" will only get you killed, because there is no way to reliably predict a damage spike done by you, and therefore reflected back at you.

next time, keep a backup physical attack if you run elemental (and vice versa). and if map mods make a monster reflect both types of damage - do Chaos damage, have disposable totems/minions attack it, or select the attack with the lower reflect percentage, and lower crit chance/dmg.
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JahIthBerTirUmMalLumKoKoMal wrote:
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Sodomee wrote:
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Mark_GGG wrote:
No, it really doesn't, and never has. There isn't any possible way for it to "count as the monster damage", and the monsters stats cannot affect it like that at all. Enfeeble does not have any effect on the damage reflected back to you, unless it's on you and thus affecting the damage you dealt in the first place.


Evading reflected attack damage is based on the monster's accuracy correct? Meaning that since enfeeble lowers accuracy rating it allows you to evade reflected attack damage more often?


even if you could block / evade reflect and enfeeble helped ... unwavering stance?


You CAN block and evade reflected damage as long as it is an attack being reflected. You can only block reflected spell damage if you have spell block though. This is my second character to have unwavering stance. I am asking this question because I was always under the impression that enfeeble affected reflected attacks, whether or not my character can evade attacks was not part of the question. I am aware of what unwavering stance does.
IGN: ThrobbinRobin
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johnKeys wrote:
you got your answer. read it again.
monster stats do not affect reflect, and accuracy (of the monster) is a stat.
I don't think it is possible to evade reflected damage, unless you have some extremely-weird scenario where you could evade your own attack - whatever the heck that means :)

like I said earlier, dealing with reflect "the Math way" will only get you killed, because there is no way to reliably predict a damage spike done by you, and therefore reflected back at you.

next time, keep a backup physical attack if you run elemental (and vice versa). and if map mods make a monster reflect both types of damage - do Chaos damage, have disposable totems/minions attack it, or select the attack with the lower reflect percentage, and lower crit chance/dmg.


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Mark_GGG wrote:
yes, you can evade reflected damage, if that damage is evadable (reflected spell damage doesn't check evasion). You can also block it (although there's a bug with the spell block applying to reflected spell damage at the moment)

Because reflected damage is separate from what creates it, arrow dodging won't see it as projectile damage, just reflected damage, so you won't get the extra chance to evade from that.

Currently the check is made based on the enemy's accuracy.


I believe the "enemy" is a monster.

Source: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/353711/page/1

Also reread what Mark said. He did not say monster stats do not affect reflect. He said monster stats do not affect it like that.

So no, I did not get my answer, despite what you misinterpreted.

Oh and the "math way" always worked for me. It has worked since the first month I started playing. It stopped working for me in 11.1 which is what this thread is all about.
IGN: ThrobbinRobin
Last edited by Sodomee#2062 on Jul 1, 2013, 3:56:10 AM
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Sodomee wrote:
You CAN block and evade reflected damage as long as it is an attack being reflected. You can only block reflected spell damage if you have spell block though. This is my second character to have unwavering stance. I am asking this question because I was always under the impression that enfeeble affected reflected attacks, whether or not my character can evade attacks was not part of the question. I am aware of what unwavering stance does.


Well the way you asked it, was as if you thought it would help your character. Just saying. You need to chill out a bit and stop being so defensive all the time
[quote="DirkAustin"]They can always make a loser league where Monsters do no damage and you one shot everything. Goodness, people, just don't play in the hard parts of the game if you cant handle them.[/quote]

If enfeeble penalises monster accuracy, then yes, that will affect the evasion check to avoid the reflected damage (if said damage is evadable), as that is still based on monster accuracy to my knowledge.
I was only pointing out that the actual damage is not affected by enfeeble, as it's completely outside the damage calculation system, and that the OP attempting to predict the damage by multiplying the penalty to monster damage into the formula was incorrect.

Enfeeble can affect how often you take reflect damage, but not how much damage you take.
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