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UnderOmerta wrote:

So your solution for all those people that got their character to level 90 is to what? Give up? Reroll? Opt to sit at their stash crafting all day instead of playing? Play Neverwinter instead? What?

Basically you're saying that the higher level you are, the less gameplay options you should have. Which of course makes zero sense and obviously comes from the perspective of a player that has never experienced the difficulty of rolling maps and the boredom of playing in areas that are clearly not level appropriate.

They dont have less gameplay options, they have the exact same as everybody else. Progression is just slower due to diminishing returns and a harder time to craft or buy improved gear which is exactly how it was intended to be. You cant seriously be expecting people who play 12h per day for several months straight to wake up everyday to new content without rerolling or playing in races in a game which has not even made it to release yet?

Also lets say maps were a lot easier to access and people already made it to lvl 100. What would they do then? Reroll or sit on their stash all day crafting? Isnt this only an issue because people want to reach lvl 100?

meh, throw the casual player card or whatever it was you just did, but there are other more veteran players than me in this thread that also dont feel that maps are such a big issue.

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Undon3 wrote:

Rugs, you're quite wrong man. Crafting and running endgame content should not be mutually exclusive. You should run the endgame (based on skill&dedication, not RNG), and also craft gear as needed, for yourself, or for trading with others to get richer.

Truth in bundles^.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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Undon3 wrote:

Rugs, you're quite wrong man. Crafting and running endgame content should not be mutually exclusive. You should run the endgame (based on skill&dedication, not RNG), and also craft gear as needed, for yourself, or for trading with others to get richer.

Truth in bundles^.

Well, I might be and Im not saying that certain numbers cant/shouldnt be tweaked. Just I dont think the issue is a major problem for the majority of the players and that someone who tries to reach lvl 100 by RMT is hardly representing the player base in general.

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Undon3 wrote:

I got rewarded PLENTY in WoW for my time, it never felt unrewarding.

Also, big huge LOL at the guy saying botters are cool for the economy. What else? And Blizz STILL bans WoW cheaters if there is proof, never saw any changes from Vanilla to Cata. There is 0 (ZERO) tolerance for RMT and exploiting and botting. And it is up to the devs to make the endgame accessible. That's why there can be multiple difficulty levels, suited for anybody from casuals to hardcores, with different rewards obviously.

This is the most hilarious bullshit I've ever seen. The only time Blizzard goes after botters /RMT is when it is obviously hurting the game and the economy by overflowing items into the economy. Once they've controlled the RMT/botters, they simply let them be as they know that without the botters that bring in things like mats to the AH, their economy would simply blow.


If you play WoW, then you would know that every time there is a massive bot ban wave that the AH prices inflate so high it is absolutely unbelievable. This is why Blizzard no longer religiously bans bots like they use to in WoW (which used to be something like every 3-4 days) to now just as a rare occurrence.

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Rugs wrote:

They dont have less gameplay options, they have the exact same as everybody else.

No they don't. They outlevel pretty much anything but high maps. If you take a decent level 90 character into docks, they just run around one shotting everything and literally having no fun. You can't say the same about a level 75, who still actually gets appreciable experience there. This is apples to oranges.

Basically you're saying level 90s can either sit and craft (boring) or be very bored. Glad you aren't in game design, because everyone would hate your games.

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Rugs wrote:

Progression is just slower due to diminishing returns and a harder time to craft or buy improved gear which is exactly how it was intended to be. You cant seriously be expecting people who play 12h per day for several months straight to wake up everyday to new content without rerolling or playing in races in a game which has not even made it to release yet?

High level players don't expect new content every day. They expect to be able to play the parts of the game that are appropriate for them, especially if they spend hundreds of times more currency than the average player in the hope of accessing that part of the game that is appropriate for them.

You can't honestly not see the difference there, can you?

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Rugs wrote:

Also lets say maps were a lot easier to access and people already made it to lvl 100. What would they do then? Reroll or sit on their stash all day crafting? Isnt this only an issue because people want to reach lvl 100?

I doubt people would complain about rerolling after they've gotten a character to 100. In fact, a lot of people rushing the ladder would like to play other characters, but the fact that it's so prohibitively expensive and such an RNG nightmare to level a character past 85 or so prevents them from making new characters. It doesn't encourage them to play more.

Using RNG on top of RNG to try to trick players into playing longer doesn't work, dude. Hasn't D3 taught you anything?

I don't play more characters because I don't have the money to gear them properly and don't want to go through the horrible map grind. NOT because I don't have exciting ideas for characters that I would love to try out. If maps were cheaper and gear was more obtainable, I would play more, not less.

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Rugs wrote:

meh, throw the casual player card or whatever it was you just did, but there are other more veteran players than me in this thread that also dont feel that maps are such a big issue.

No one has disagreed that rolling maps is expensive as shit.

I am not surprised at all that a lot of the top ranked players are utilizing RMT to get access to the currencies which they need in order to keep doing high level maps.
The only thing i am surprised about is that this seems to be a bigger deal than botting in the top 50.
I figured that all of the higher ranked players were more inclined to bot with alt accounts to farm the currencies they need, but instead they are spending huge amounts of real money apparently.

rugs has more of a point than the qqers attacking him... i guess some people are just so focused on hating rmt that they won't be happy until the best items/currency are worth nothing due to oversaturation and no need to make difficult choices... its awesome that exalts are worth $10+ each, just not awesome that people actually buy them that way...

im not saying rmt is a good thing.... it should be fought... but sacrificing gameplay in any way to make rmt less viable is letting the terrorists win. buyer bans are the proper solution

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PlaceholderText wrote:

rugs has more of a point than the qqers attacking him... i guess some people are just so focused on hating rmt that they won't be happy until the best items/currency are worth nothing due to oversaturation and no need to make difficult choices... its awesome that exalts are worth $10+ each, just not awesome that people actually buy them that way...

im not saying rmt is a good thing.... it should be fought... but sacrificing gameplay in any way to make rmt less viable is letting the terrorists win. buyer bans are the proper solution

I don't think you realize that people buying exalteds and high level maps so they can do high level maps IS what's contributing to the saturation of the market and the decline in prices. Moreover, because most players who don't buy currency or maps can't participate in selling high ilvl gear in the same quantity, they can't benefit from the exploitation and when they do finally get there to high level maps, they have trouble funding their maps because their map items are less valuable.

Seems you lack a basic understanding of economics. Making high level maps sustainable isn't sacrificing gameplay. It's making it so certain aspects of gameplay are accessible to players who don't RMT, multibox, jsp, etc. One of the consequences of this is that real money trading becomes less enticing. Your support of the status quo is what RMTers want. They get to make money hand over fist.

And yes, I'm also glad you write off valid points as "qqers attacking." You seem like a very mature and intellectual individual.

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allbusiness wrote:

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Undon3 wrote:

I got rewarded PLENTY in WoW for my time, it never felt unrewarding.

Also, big huge LOL at the guy saying botters are cool for the economy. What else? And Blizz STILL bans WoW cheaters if there is proof, never saw any changes from Vanilla to Cata. There is 0 (ZERO) tolerance for RMT and exploiting and botting. And it is up to the devs to make the endgame accessible. That's why there can be multiple difficulty levels, suited for anybody from casuals to hardcores, with different rewards obviously.

This is the most hilarious bullshit I've ever seen. The only time Blizzard goes after botters /RMT is when it is obviously hurting the game and the economy by overflowing items into the economy. Once they've controlled the RMT/botters, they simply let them be as they know that without the botters that bring in things like mats to the AH, their economy would simply blow.


If you play WoW, then you would know that every time there is a massive bot ban wave that the AH prices inflate so high it is absolutely unbelievable. This is why Blizzard no longer religiously bans bots like they use to in WoW (which used to be something like every 3-4 days) to now just as a rare occurrence.

You're hilariously bullshiting exaggerating stuff up. Did you ever report a bot? It gets banned in an hour. You're talking about the big waves of bot bans, which are planned operations. Regular banning still occurs quite a lot.

As for the prices, the AH market stabilises things in a few days. No worries... at all.

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UnderOmerta wrote:

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PlaceholderText wrote:

rugs has more of a point than the qqers attacking him... i guess some people are just so focused on hating rmt that they won't be happy until the best items/currency are worth nothing due to oversaturation and no need to make difficult choices... its awesome that exalts are worth $10+ each, just not awesome that people actually buy them that way...

im not saying rmt is a good thing.... it should be fought... but sacrificing gameplay in any way to make rmt less viable is letting the terrorists win. buyer bans are the proper solution

I don't think you realize that people buying exalteds and high level maps so they can do high level maps IS what's contributing to the saturation of the market and the decline in prices. Moreover, because most players who don't buy currency or maps can't participate in selling high ilvl gear in the same quantity, they can't benefit from the exploitation and when they do finally get there to high level maps, they have trouble funding their maps because their map items are less valuable.

Seems you lack a basic understanding of economics. Making high level maps sustainable isn't sacrificing gameplay. It's making it so certain aspects of gameplay are accessible to players who don't RMT, multibox, jsp, etc. One of the consequences of this is that real money trading becomes less enticing. Your support of the status quo is what RMTers want. They get to make money hand over fist.

And yes, I'm also glad you write off valid points as "qqers attacking." You seem like a very mature and intellectual individual.

im not the one going ad homenem here... unless you count calling a qq a qq...

its not that i don't understand economics, its that i refuse to let asshats compromise my ideals... the solution to rmt, botting, and other forms of cheating is and always will be direct administrative action, not changing droprates... and the proper rationale for changing droprates or any other aspect of the game mechanics should be based entirely in the behavior of the legitimate playerbase, not the illegal fringe...

this game is fucked if it balances itself around people who don't even play the game while ignoring those who actually play... and that's exactly what cheaters are, people who aren't playing the game...