The REAL truth exposed!! (Brought to you by a player in top 10)

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johnKeys wrote:

and when the Beta is over, I personally have nothing against a character wipe like the one you did after Closed Beta.
just please let me and my friends enjoy the game until then, without making it a meaningless grind that literally forces you into RMT with every step you take.

Clearly, another reset is not going to happen even if would be good idea.

Again, no one forces you into anything, you choose to RMT and I dont understand the reasons at all (see my previous post).

Having said that, I dont mind a buff to drop rates, but I dont think it will stop RMT. Instead of buying 1ex, people will by 10 and go for rolling even better mods on their maps.

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Undon3 wrote:

I don't believe you're the "elite" guy you say you are, i.e. from the top 20 in whatever ladder, hope I'm wrong, but whatever. I do believe that the problems you're describing are legit.

But your words have no weight because of your anonymity.

Do you even have any idea how many times these issues were already discussed here?

Without your NAME on the post, you achieved NOTHING. Anybody, including myself, will think you're some of the "I quit" or "PoE is dying" crowd trying to force GGG's hand.

So how about you posting from your normal account? What can you loose? Because the truth is not truth when hidden behind fakery, as in your case.

I'm sorry i usually don't insult people but are you dumb? If he posted with his real account he would get banned in a heartbeat.Jesus on a cracker you ARE dumb -.-

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Rugs wrote:

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johnKeys wrote:

and when the Beta is over, I personally have nothing against a character wipe like the one you did after Closed Beta.
just please let me and my friends enjoy the game until then, without making it a meaningless grind that literally forces you into RMT with every step you take.

Clearly, another reset is not going to happen even if would be good idea.

Again, no one forces you into anything, you choose to RMT and I dont understand the reasons at all (see my previous post).

Having said that, I dont mind a buff to drop rates, but I dont think it will stop RMT. Instead of buying 1ex, people will by 10 and go for rolling even better mods on their maps.

just to be clear: this was my first post in this thread, and I'm not the kind of player to go buy pixels with real money. I'm the kind of player who will leave the game the moment I "have to" do that, and never touch it again. case in point Diablo 3.

if you say buffing late-game drop rates would not stop RMT, then you clearly didn't understand my post.

when you make content available, you keep more people playing more time. simple as that.

if GGG dramatically increase late-game drops or would even go as far as place a vendor in Eternal Laboratory, selling all non-unique maps for pennies (Alteration Orbs) and high currency for good rates/recipes, people will keep playing.
otherwise, they get stuck at level 75 for instance - with a handful of level 66 maps or no maps at all - having to make a choice: leave, or go RMT for some level 70-75 maps and/or the currency to roll them and get them via in-game trade.

to put it as simply as I can: a player who bit more than he could chew - ie tried a level 75 map at character level 68 and got slaughtered - is a player who keeps playing. keeps trying. takes it as a challenge and levels/gears/builds up to a point where he/she can actually clear that map.
and then he'll try a level 80 map and get destroyed, and the cycle will begin again.
in contrast, a player who sees no goal ahead and/or has no means to progress - will either leave or go RMT.

the game is unfinished, but the sad part is GGG are giving 90% of the players access to only 90% of the existing content, and I really can't understand that.

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johnKeys wrote:

just to be clear: this was my first post in this thread, and I'm not the kind of player to go buy pixels with real money. I'm the kind of player who will leave the game the moment I "have to" do that, and never touch it again. case in point Diablo 3.

if you say buffing late-game drop rates would not stop RMT, then you clearly didn't understand my post.

By "you" I meant people in general, not you you, sorry for the confusion :)

ok, I might not have understood your post.

If you mean a really dramatic buff in which currency (exalted) are made much more available, it might stop RMT as what would you buy, but wouldnt it also lead to a watering down of achievements which ultimately leads to people leaving as well. People need goals right?

To keep me interested in a game such a Poe which requires a lot of grinding I need to have a goal. I dont currently believe that people cant progress in PoE toward a goal like lvl 90 or even 100 despite the difficulties. Its the speed a which people consider this progress satisfying which is very subjective I guess.

I just dont care much about the concerns of some self proclaimed elite player trying to reach lvl 100 way sooner than it ever was intended by using RMT and then claiming its his and his top elite friend's only option in order to beat the restraints put in the game deliberately.

Its like playing a soccer game and saying to the ref that you only want to shoot penalties because all that running around after the ball is stupid in the first place (which I think that I can say without hurting to many peoples feelings is a prolly not an uncommon feeling found toward soccer on a gaming forum).
Its fair enough I guess if you can find someone who want to play soccer with you in that way.

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Rakatarian wrote:

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Undon3 wrote:

I don't believe you're the "elite" guy you say you are, i.e. from the top 20 in whatever ladder, hope I'm wrong, but whatever. I do believe that the problems you're describing are legit.

But your words have no weight because of your anonymity.

Do you even have any idea how many times these issues were already discussed here?

Without your NAME on the post, you achieved NOTHING. Anybody, including myself, will think you're some of the "I quit" or "PoE is dying" crowd trying to force GGG's hand.

So how about you posting from your normal account? What can you loose? Because the truth is not truth when hidden behind fakery, as in your case.

I'm sorry i usually don't insult people but are you dumb? If he posted with his real account he would get banned in a heartbeat.Jesus on a cracker you ARE dumb -.-

Read his post again. He didn't say he does RMT. He said some guys he plays with.

Now, come, make me dumb a few more times. I DARE you. Add more insults :) Actually, I don't think you have the balls to do it.

And even is he lost the account, whatever. It's not like PoE is more than just a game, and rerolling is the thing in it, so he would just reroll and enjoy some "wacky build" ;)

And yes, his anonymous words are still weightless in this climate of hostility towards PoE. he might very well be just some banned guy that now tries to have their revenge or whatever.

I agree with bumping end game currency. If it fails, legacy league everything.

The war is against RMT.

This should be a war of attrition.

To destroy the market, sellers and especially buyers should be banned. Persistently.

So buyers feel the time lost investing the character is not worth the money, spent. The worry and stress should act as a deterrent.

The race to 100 is not becvause you love this game, mushy mushy I love POE BS.

Its more to stroke egos. Ruining the economy.

Top players should be banned as an example to the community.

Swat the cloud of flies enough, swipe at the mozzies enough, eventually the cloud disperses. Even flies know when their kind are dying (pheromones).

BAN THE TOP PLAYER CHEATERS CHRIS! SHOW NO MORE MERCY :D

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johnKeys wrote:

increase both overall map drop-rate AND high currency drop-rate by several hundred percent in late-game areas.

This will probably end up doing nothing.

I had a good friend in the game who used a certain RMT during CB. At first I would ignore it because he was a nice guy but we got into it on global chat one day with a couple other guys. I took the side against and he jumped in slightly for. After a few times talking with him he told me he's in Singapore and has an awful connection. He constantly dies and struggles to progress. He just wants to play the game but didn't want to deal with MFing and knew he couldn't do the races which at the time gave currency rewards. He had a job that paid very well so to save time so he could actually enjoy the game he would just buy orbs/items.

If you double, triple or whatever the drop rate in any areas at all, it won't stop him from buying stuff. It's what the guy said a page or two ago, people have money but no time. I play 8-12 hours a day, someone who makes decent money can just pay to make up the gap between us.

You give him easier access to orbs he'll still end up buying stuff because it won't him where he wants to be soon enough. If you really jack up the orb rates then inflation will go through the roof leaving casual players no way to keep up with me, meaning they feel forced to play more than they can, quit or buy what they need for cash.

Right now what the OP is going on about is something that's been brought up a bunch on these forums. The cost of maps does not match it's reward. If maps weren't so expensive to roll and so hard to find people who just wanted lvl 100 wouldn't feel the need to break out their wallets to do so.

I doubt people buying gear will ever go away, but buying maps and currency to roll makes is a flaw with maps, not with RMT and banning people doing it. If GGG was able to ban every single account that was involved in a RMT site tomorrow, Tuesday a slew of new people would take their place.

RMT aren't going away, keep up the good fight, but there's no winning. As long as there's money to be made people will sell. What you can do is follow what's being bought the most and once you figure out why you can work towards solving the problem.

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nGio wrote:

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charlyy wrote:

Simply enough, for you "top elite players", don't play 14 hours a day, and then you won't need to buy "100's of chaos" daily, or spend 1000-2000 dollar on RMT ffs.

It's still a game, yet you say it feels like a job, something is wrong there, obviously, but not with the game, instead with your playstyle.

Why in the hell are you telling him how to spend his free time? Who the fuck are you? What does your stupid comment have to do with op? You are a completely useless human being.

And who the fuck are you to tell me I'm a useless human being?

The irony ..

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willnotdisclose wrote:

I'm not sure if your of age to understand how elections for president, prime minister, queen or whatever body you want in real works, but ill attempt to use it to illustrate how your claim is not true.

What happens during elections? Various third party entities often perform "early polls" to try and determine which party is ahead in the campaigns. Mos of the time the polls involve a very tiny fraction of the population and generally turns out to be extremely accurate in the big picture.

That principal is applied here, small fractions of the experienced community can be an accurate representation of the whole wether you agree or not.

While it is true that a small sample size can represent a larger group accurately (20-30 can be enough), it is also true that the sample group needs to be truly random and a representative section of a normal distribution.

Using outliers, such as the top cadre of high level characters, is like surveying eagles and hawks to see how many animals have poor vision.

This isn't to say that I disagree with the gist of your argument on low level maps dropping in high level maps too often.

Myself, I think the decision to throw out Ruthless was made a little too hastily. If they added it back in and spread out the levels slightly (with act 3 merciless in the low 70s), I think the whole game would fall into place.