Floored by the power spike of TRADING. This will ruin the game.

The answer is not to modify the base intended experience for everyone else, It will never be the answer.

If SSF is not an option because you want multiplayer then you simply do not interact with trade.

If private leagues are added then you can do that as well for a more organic less (tempting) experience.

I am sorry that this is difficult for you but the game is working as intended since the very beginning regardless of the trade tools we have available now which massively increase the ease at which we find things.

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SilentSymphony#3358 wrote:

The answer is not to modify the base intended experience for everyone else, It will never be the answer.

If SSF is not an option because you want multiplayer then you simply do not interact with trade.

If private leagues are added then you can do that as well for a more organic less (tempting) experience.

The problems with trade are more far reaching than this, did you read the initial post?

This feels like bait but honestly PoE2's current loot/crafting paradigm pretty much force trade and until they solve it there isn't much point in advocating something else.

I keep seeing people suggest the loots better than poe1 and it isn't, its tidier sure but an overwhelming amount of what you find/alt/regal/aug/alch is garbage the odds aren't any better than poe1 so the results aren't either.

i only buy stuff in rare occasions when i really want to. like i bought some lvl 11 20% movespeed unique boots to get my alts faster faster. you can do it, you dont have to trade to power spike. just buy some, or none!

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crazyfingers619#3901 wrote:

There are a lot of replies here by people with very narrow views who do not want to even entertain the larger impact of these systems on the broader audiences enjoyment of the game.

So all of you are aware that trade severely impacts the balance?

You are aware that with trade you WILL be forced to open a trade window and sit there and sell and buy wares, and that at least 9/10 of your items will be obtained from a spreadsheet?

You're perfectly ok with the fact that it becomes more rewarding to buy low and sell high than it is to actually use those items you've found and play the game?

Genuinely curious. You guys ENJOY this game turning into a spreadsheet simulator for a simple economy system with next to no complexity?

Bro calls people narrow minded.

Nobody takes you seriously and everyone thinks you're a troll because you're trying to convince everyone who plays trade league that they shouldn't enjoy trade. 500IQ thread.

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Silverpelt#6095 wrote:

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crazyfingers619#3901 wrote:

There are a lot of replies here by people with very narrow views who do not want to even entertain the larger impact of these systems on the broader audiences enjoyment of the game.

So all of you are aware that trade severely impacts the balance?

You are aware that with trade you WILL be forced to open a trade window and sit there and sell and buy wares, and that at least 9/10 of your items will be obtained from a spreadsheet?

You're perfectly ok with the fact that it becomes more rewarding to buy low and sell high than it is to actually use those items you've found and play the game?

Genuinely curious. You guys ENJOY this game turning into a spreadsheet simulator for a simple economy system with next to no complexity?

Bro calls people narrow minded.

Nobody takes you seriously and everyone thinks you're a troll because you're trying to convince everyone who play trade league that they shouldn't enjoy trade. 500IQ thread.

There is still something to take out from these feedback, one of GGG intention was to make ground loot feel good, to do so these implemented tiering and removed crafting. And well it din't hit the mark at all.

To a pervious point,trade GREATLY increases the longevity of my fun. Every time I tried a season in PoE1 without trading I bounced off of it after a week and never had the feeling that loot buffs would change that for me. I spend like half my time or more each league playing the market because I absolutely love it (used to be a market manipulator in WoW as well).
I don't really want to grind for 200 hours every single league for one rng gated drop for a single build. I want to be able to get to endgame and enjoy that grind and have time to play multiple builds to end game each league. Even a drop multiplier in a no trade environment is still rng gated. Trade means I have a consistent reliable path to grow my power, without trade I'm just hoping I got the exact affixes or unique for my build, and getting a huge rare drop that's not for my class almost feels worse than not getting a drop at all tbh.

Pretty hilarious watching you not be able to comprehend that different people can have fun in different ways and trying to tell them they're wrong for what they enjoy.

That said I still appreciate the idea of a drop buffed no-transfer SSF option for people that want that. But over a decade into this game paradigm it still doesn't exist, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

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crazyfingers619#3901 wrote:

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SilentSymphony#3358 wrote:

The answer is not to modify the base intended experience for everyone else, It will never be the answer.

If SSF is not an option because you want multiplayer then you simply do not interact with trade.

If private leagues are added then you can do that as well for a more organic less (tempting) experience.

The problems with trade are more far reaching than this, did you read the initial post?

Yeah, Who doesn't do that?

Regardless i stand by what i said, I wish you the self control of the gods sir.

My first playthrough was with a summoner, I stopped and made a new char mid act2 because even with pure minion damage specced on the tree it still took ages for 10+ minions to kill anything. I came back to it with a bit of currency and bought a whole bunch of twink leveling summoner gear and it was still very underwhelming for what a full unique build was. its slowly improving as im progressing through act 3, however its still not as powerful as full twink leveling gear should be.

Gear below :
Each one of these costs around 1 exalted orb btw.


you'd think with these few items you'd be blasting through the first 3 acts but it still feels rather slow.

10 skeletal arsonists with scatter shot, concentrated effect, and martial tempo btw. its starting to pick up in act 3 but the previous acts were way to slow for the gear i had.

They need to nerf trade. It's the only valid playstyle.

Ssf is a penalty mode. You can barely plan to have a common unique in your build because you might never see it...

I haven't found any of my gear. It's all from trade. People love trade leagues because rmt is so much easier ..... I want a decent chance to find loot. Not spend time trading.