Listening to the whiners opened Pandora's box

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

I'm playing HCSSF. The yellows and exalts I mentioned were drops, not traded.

I started testing Act 1 farming after the patch. Current run has 26% IIR and it doesn't feel that crazy. A couple Exalts and Regals which is two more than my launch day run. Less than five rares were good enough for me to stash for alt leveling.

I had bosses drop double exalts and a unique before, got half a dozen uniques in total so far.

I would say that the drops of the loot are ok, but ofc, it is shit uniques as expected of the early campaign game, and the currency has shifted.

Exalts have no value anymore, as they are the new chaos orbs, alterations are amongst chaos the rarest to get.

Ironic. The orb you would need the most for crafting, Alterations, I havent found even a shard let a lone a single orb.

And all an alt does is reroll a magic (blue) item. So yeah. The currency is completely whack and cannot be compared at all to POE2.

That being said. The game is way too hard. The rewards are ok.

I can not relate to the skill gem drops. Especially since areas will drop a fixed level of skill gem, meaning, you wont ever see a tier 7 skillgem drop inside act 1. Meaning the only way to get stronger is to go to higher level activities, meaning, you will need to cope with the OP enemy scaling, because the only way to get on their level is by wrecking them on par.

So it does rarely feel like you are actually getting stronger.

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Ruffleberg#5791 wrote:

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

I'm playing HCSSF. The yellows and exalts I mentioned were drops, not traded.

I started testing Act 1 farming after the patch. Current run has 26% IIR and it doesn't feel that crazy. A couple Exalts and Regals which is two more than my launch day run. Less than five rares were good enough for me to stash for alt leveling.

Drops are so reasonable right now it's crazy anyone can complain. GGG didn't add super secret mods to items that allow full screen clears to the game so if that's happening it was already possible.

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

It seems like the "There is no loot in this game" and "Bosses too hard" crowd (most of who, I assume, haven't even played a single hour of this game, and only jumped on the complain train) has won.

I just reached the graveyard in act 1 on an alt, and have 5 Orbs of Transmutation + Augmentation each, 3 Regal Orbs and 1 Exalt Orb.

Every boss (I fought 4 until now) dropped 1-2 yellows and 1-2 blues on top of 1-2 skill gems each.

The game is even more trivial now than it was before.
Every single one of my minion one-shots trashmobs (including even the Skeletal Warriors from the sceptre), and bosses die in very few seconds.
I can't even Contagion + Essence Drain, because the entire mob pack is dead before I can click the 2nd spell.

And it's not even the reduced difficulty itself that worries me so, but the fact that they opened Pandora's box. They gave in now, but the complainers will never stop asking for more ridiculous demands each time.

Do you think they will stop here? Of course not.
It will be "still too difficult", and after the next nerf, it will be "still too difficult", because those demands weren't based on reason or experience in the first place.

This was a step in the wrong direction. I genuinely hope they revert it.

EDIT:

https://ibb.co/JBLw7t7

Do you find this to be reasonable drops at level 10?
And yes, all bosses looked like this, even minor map bosses.

https://youtu.be/MpFYIYxoc50

This is my gear at level 10.

If they want to be successful and make money they will listen, if they don't they wont.

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We get it, OP. You want scarcity - and you're allowed to. I'm sure you played exclusively Ruthless in PoE 1. We all seek the experience that is most fun for us, subjectively.

But how many times have people asked for a level skip in PoE 1? How many times have people asked for alternative ways of leveling in PoE 1? How many times have people asked for the XP penalty to go away in PoE 1? How many times have people asked for an AH for items in PoE 1? How many times have people asked for free respecs?

GGG almost NEVER change their game unless they agree with the feedback. And you can talk about "loud minority" all you want, but EVERY single player I've spoken to, and EVERY single content creator I've seen talking about the state of the game have ALL mentioned loot/currency scarcity as a problem.

Why is it that you are so sure that you're not the "loud minority"? How many people chose Ruthless in PoE because they wanted scarcity? Anywhere close to a "majority"?

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In addition, people talk as if having/using a few Regal orbs automatically improves your gear in a magical way. People talk like as every rare is an upgrade. People talk like every rare item is better than a magic item just because it's yellow. People talk like every rare item is good. But EVERYONE should know better.

They TOLD us BEFORE the game that crafting currency would be "plentiful", and that they WANTED us to use them a lot while leveling. And some of us went through actS without finding enough rares to even make ONE regal orb, let alone dropping one.

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Now, you seem to drop enough crafting currency to actually progress your character, which A LOT (no, not a "loud minority") think is a GOOD thing.

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GGG agreed that crafting currency and dropped items were too scarce. You should try to deal with the fact that they DON'T agree with you. Maybe that's because you are the (very) "loud minority" here?

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

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TheAlmightyZugs#5016 wrote:

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anremy#7276 wrote:

whenever I click a stream it's some one button deadeye build running at light speed, one shotting the entire screen and getting 20 items from one big pack

idk how the game can be in such a terrible state after going through multiple closed beta tests. genuinely don't understand why they decided to separate poe 2 if it's going to be the same shit

i hope they either stop listening to the powercreep hungry cookie-clicker 1-shot farmbots, or have a ruthless mode with all the challenge and moment to moment gameplay depth that path of exile 2 was intended to have. stuff like this shouldn't be possible https://youtu.be/4amI6glez9U but we're still in early access, so there is hope.

This.

Unfortunately them showing the readiness to give in and change what they had initially planned to release will compel even more people to crybully their way through ruination of this game.

Agreed. I hope that if enough of us start bringing these points up that they'll see it and hopefully realize that we need to go back. I can forgive it, a harder game of any type is going to cause some hubub from the same type of people that cried on launch. It happens with every challenging game. All the time with Souls likes. I think this is GGG's first experience with that coming from something like POE 1. But if they don't get a handle on it and wake up - I fear the worst.

It does worry me how quickly they caved on some things. I liked some of the loot changes etc but man did they ever fold. How did the game get so far into Beta Testing only for them to pull the plug this quickly? That's why I chop it up to the first time they've really been met with some pushback that comes towards making a more difficult game. They have to realize that this has to be handled differently than before with POE 1. It's a different game and a different type of game.

Not everyone is going to like it, but if you're just going to have another POE 1 clone or some easy mess like D3/D4 - why even make a new game in the first place? POE 2 started as an update but then it branched off. So what was the point of branching if it's the same? My biggest fear is POE 2 turns into the "easy" casual version of POE 1 vs going in the opposite AND original direction.

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TheAlmightyZugs#5016 wrote:

Agreed. I hope that if enough of us start bringing these points up that they'll see it and hopefully realize that we need to go back. I can forgive it, a harder game of any type in going to cause some hubub from the same type of people that cried on launch. It happens with every challenging game. All the time with Souls likes. I think this is GGG's first experience with that coming from something like POE 1. But if they don't get a handle on it and wake up - I fear the worst.

It does worry me how quickly they caved on some things. I liked some of the loot changes etc but man did they ever fold. How did the game get so far into Beta Testing only for them to pull the plug this quickly? That's why I chop it up to the first time they've really been met with some pushback that comes towards making a more difficult game. They have to realize that this has to be handled differently than before with POE 1. It's a different game and a different type of game.

Not everyone is going to like it, but if you're just going to have another POE 1 clone or some easy mess like D3/D4 - why even make a new game in the first place? POE 2 started as an update but then it branched off. So what was the point of branching if it's the same? My biggest fear is POE 2 turns into the "easy" casual version of POE 1 vs going in the opposite AND original direction.

They crybully their way until devs give in, then after devs give in, when people say the devs shouldn't have given in, they'll spin it so that the other ones are the whining ones.

You can't make it up.

"It seems like the "There is no loot in this game" and "Bosses too hard" crowd (most of who, I assume, haven't even played a single hour of this game, and only jumped on the complain train) has won."

Users without a forum badge should not even be allowed to post on these forums.

Everything said in the original post was a lie.

Good luck getting there with your free key and your level 7 character tho.

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

My bad for feeding you.

I'm not a troll, you're advocating for something that already isn't happening. The change won't be reverted. It doesn't matter if all ten of you post for another 24 straight about it. The vocal minority are the once calling for less loot.