10% XP loss Death Penalty Feedback!

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CovidPatientZero#0332 wrote:

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auspexa#1404 wrote:

if you're dying a lot, your build sucks and you don't deserve to progress

You are whats wrong with the community. It's nothing to do with dying a bunch. If you spend hours grinding and gain minimal exp, then 1 single death just completely wasted all that time. It's especially bad with the cheese 1 shot mechanics and on death effects that are near impossible to see when surrounded by mobs, especially on an alter.

Seriously the "get good" crowd are only going to piss off the majority of people who don't spend 10 hours a day sucked into a game. This game can appeal to both but apparently some players are so full of ego they can't stand the idea that someone with a life and a job can progress.

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V4ldaran#3607 wrote:

POE1 also had it, and it was fine there, getting to level 100 should be something special.

Death should have a consequence, even on softcore.

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Shockshell#1301 wrote:

I just want to add, I heard something about the death penalty possibly only kicking in after level 90. If the devs do this I might, but only might pick up the game again. Just get rid of that crap for good unless you can absolutely rule out BS deaths, which you cannot, given the gargantuan size of the code.

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MakaveliPT#7753 wrote:

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

1300hp has nothing to do with 71% evasion. Evasion doesn't reduce damage taken. Start there to improve your build, knowledge, or gameplay.

You aren't entitled to reach level 100 ; especially if you die that much, and if dying angers you that much.

What makes you think people are dying constantly?

Hummm, let´s see, 1300hp is kind of a good hint. The game has some problems with 1 shots mostly in T15 maps, but alot of people crying for XP loss removal i see are running around with less than 2k hp and barely any defenses, if that's the case it's 100% their fault, XP loss been in PoE since forever and was even higher than it is now, and will not go anywhere, it shouldnt go anywhere period.

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

Give it 10 minutes, we'll have people in here telling us how if they remove it, all we're going to do is die constantly to bosses to progress, and how it'll make the game easy.

Then they'll tell us it's a skill issue, without realizing that the mechanic isn't an expression of skill. There's 3 that have been common in the other threads, arguing with everyone about how bad they are at the game and devaluing/invalidating the feedback others give.


We definitely need to get rid of it, but not even because it's frustrating to play with, but because there's better ways to implement this sort of stuff. And for the health of the players, it would probably help quite a few players find enjoyment in the game again. Something it seems, quite a few on the forums have lost.


Oh look, Right on time. Look below me!

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KubaLy#4534 wrote:

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V4ldaran#3607 wrote:

POE1 also had it, and it was fine there, getting to level 100 should be something special.

Death should have a consequence, even on softcore.

I don't think it should have any consequence in SOFTCORE. This subject is 100% personal preference rather than a statement of universal truth.

However, if the XP penalty was removed there would still be many other penalties present. Even without the XP loss there is still a lot of consequence for character death on softcore.


And if the XP loss is such a good idea, why isn't it present in the campaign? I started the campaign on softcore, I had no XP loss during the campaign, then why do I suddenly get more punishment for the exact same game mechanics? It seems like sloppy design.

Also, how many times should the player be punished for one death? Should there be one penalty? Two different penalties? Maybe three? How many is too little and how many is too much, becouse right now we lose:

- map juice
- boss attempt
- unpicked loot
- 10% XP

It seems to me that four penalties (maybe more that I didn't think of) for one death is a bit rough for a SOFTCORE game mode. In this thread we're talking only about making it three penalties instead of four, not to remove all penalties altogether.

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trugamer#0422 wrote:

Ok so I think I noticed death penalty kicking in at mapping! GET RID OF IT!

Please put it on RUTHLESS mode only for those who want the extra punishment.

The game is already unforgiving enough! I have ZERO HP nodes as a Ranger and even with the 1300HP and 71% evasion I have I can get my ass handed to me in T1 maps with narrow rooms making it SUPER hard to kite and such.

Maps can only be done once and so can pinnacle bosses...FINE I quite like that, it also makes sense in a party doing maps that you can't revive a partner but they should at least be able to re-enter with the remaining portals. Even having 1 life each within a group I am totally fine with!

As for the death penalty, its a long ass grind without it! Getting those last few crumby passive skills will make barely any difference so I see no point in a XP death penalty, you might as well let us get to 100! Most people never make it and I think that's always been a poor design choice. It doesn't take anything away from the game you still need to farm resources and min/max your gear, plus even with a totally maxed out character this games boss fights are fun enough to keep me playing long after I've "completed" the season.

I love EVERYTHING about POE2 except the XP loss! Put it in Ruthless mode only where it belongs!

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Xebov#4972 wrote:

Iam absolutely for removing it.

The interesting thing is that i see ppl arguing everywhere against it and that its not an issue while these threads pop up like mushrooms in the rain.