I am worried that GGG might listen to the whiny "game too difficult :(" crowd

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:
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I don’t doubt they care about the loyal fan base they have built, however GGG is no longer the same studio when they first started.

Right now, they are trying to capture the Elden ring and d4 playerbass most likely hoping to transition them over to residual league players, however this change has alienated their core base as this isn’t the Poe we have grown to love it’s something different entirely.
This alone isn’t a bad thing, it’s more of expectations are meeting reality and I think that’s where a lot of the angst is coming from.


Why do PoE veterans act as if both can't coexist, or are mutually exclusive even?


Now imagine this, for 3 years GGG has told you that poe2 was going to be an expansion on POE1.
The whole time the game has been under Development you were told this. Then you find out that they made it a seperate game. And then you find out it’s nothing like the game you have supported for over a decade.
And then you have a troll in the forums saying “git good” lolz


Yeah exactly
It does put things into perspective

Also this narrative that many people seems to to put out that PoE 2 was always going to be a different game than PoE 1 and veterans should have done more research
Like how did this narrative even start?
Because excuse me
It's kind of a rewrite of reality xD
I had not even checked much up on PoE 2 untill recently
Last time I played a lot of PoE was 2019-2020
Was news to me that it was going to be a seperate game
Last edited by Jokke1989#7206 on Dec 10, 2024, 12:33:34 AM
This is going to get all you elitists panties in a twist, because you think this is a game made for your 'hardcore elite' fantasies, but here goes.

PoE2 is GGG's attempt at making an easier to get into Path of Exile. If I remember at least one of their videos, one of the reasons they changed it from an Expansion for PoE to it's own game, was because PoE itself is a bloated mess of hodgepodge systems and story.

PoE's 10 acts were made on the fly when they needed to add more content that wasn't a new league and mechanics.

So PoE2 was to have a coherent story from 'release'.

Another issue they did not like was how to get to endgame in the first game, you needed to plan your build from level 1. Which created a need for a tool, which Path of Building provides. GGG does not like that, they also want more viable builds to play than a singular one that might shift from time to time, based on patches buffing/nerfing certain classes/skill gems.

Also, this is VERY early in early access, this all might change. So we must, and that includes myself, wait and see what happens.
Last edited by Nagisawa#4090 on Dec 10, 2024, 12:35:03 AM
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Nagisawa#4090 wrote:
This is going to get all you elitists panties in a twist, because you think this is a game made for your 'hardcore elite' fantasies, but here goes.

PoE2 is GGG's attempt at making an easier to get into Path of Exile. If I remember at least one of their videos, one of the reasons they changed it from an Expansion for PoE to it's own game, was because PoE itself is a bloated mess of hodgepodge systems and story.

PoE's 10 acts were made on the fly when they needed to add more content that wasn't a new league and mechanics.

So PoE2 was to have a coherent story from 'release'.

Another issue they did not like was how to get to endgame in the first game, you needed to plan your build from level 1. Which created a need for a tool, which Path of Building provides. GGG does not like that, they also want more viable builds to play than a singular one that might shift from time to time, based on patches buffing/nerfing certain classes/skill gems.

Also, this is VERY early in early access, this all might change. So we must, and that includes myself, wait and see what happens.


There is nothing elitist about PoE2. It is, like you said, an easier game to get into. Which is exactly my point. It is not a difficult game.
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I do know the game very well, i have my PHD in Poe1.


Press X to doubt.

Your characters don't even have a 5 link, apart from the one tabula rasa you've managed somehow to acquire.

It's possible to get to the real endgame with a 4L, but not with the characters you have. There's a high chance your "PHD in Poe1" is not worth a lot. Most players under 10k hours aren't able to create working builds that solve all the right issues.

- elemental ailment immunity
- spell suppression / high enough max elemental resists
- chaos resists / chaos immunity
- regen/recoup/other means of sustaining
- high enough DPS to clear encounters
- physical damage mitigation

After playing a bit of Poe2 I've already forgotten all the things you really need in order to survive in Poe1 end game, in Poe2 you can just wear garbage and still complete the game.

Poe2 is just really unfun game at the moment.
IGN: ihaveseenthefail
Last edited by jormaerik#5937 on Dec 10, 2024, 12:42:44 AM
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Honestly, I never saw adults throwing temper tantrum like this before.
it's so pathetic it disgusts me.


Are you serious? There is footage going back many decades of people well past "young adult" going apeshit over dumb crap - just look at sports fans - the worst fanboys to exist.

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:
For everyone who has
- given the game a fair chance
- actually engaged with the game's mechanics
I believe the game difficulty is perfectly fine as is.


I've seen 2 types of people complain about PoE2s difficulty:

1) People who just gamehop and complain about everything, while refusing to learn any mechanics about the game, and calling everything that remotely resembles having a mechanic "too difficult".
I've seen journalists call Spongebob Bikini Bottom "too difficult".
There is no limit to what people will find "too difficult", and how much people will refuse to engage with core game mechanics and just expect an "I win" button.

2) The "PoE1 veteran" who prides himself on being a "veteran", while having been conditioned to copy someone elses build and pressing 1 button to zoom + oneshot maps for a decade without bothering to understand anything about anything, who now hit a wall after finding out he actually has to think about builds and mechanics and engage with the game mechanics.

Ironically, the "veteran" prides himself on struggling with basic mechanics, while simultaneously getting overly angry and defensive at people mentioning they haven't found the game too difficult, and will then rant about how much money they have dumped into the game.

This is typically the group spending their day on the PoE forum calling everyone who enjoys PoE2 a "tourist", being fully convinced their antagonistic actions are somehow "supporting" the game / studio.


So true, I'm not skilled in POE1 never followed build guides, touched a bit of the endgame never liked souls games and refuse to play them, and I finished all the diablo campaigns but by no means stuck for the endgame. But boy somehow POE2 drew me.

Some of the bosses were hard but fair except Jamanra where the HP pool is too much, not sure act 3 boss but I heard its easier. Colussus autoaim was a bit buggy.

I think the game difficulty is almost right just a bit of tweaking definitely no where near blown out of proportion as some claim to be.

Some people just want POE to be an alt tab, second screen game while they cruise through everything and fall asleep.. that's how I played POE1. If this is the case why bother with the new combat mechanics and graphics, it's basically a meditation app.

Do we want POE2 to be a MEDITATION APP? POE1 can be the meditation app, POE2 can take the opposite direction of you know actually being an action game putting the A into A-RPG!

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in Poe2 you can just wear garbage and still complete the game.


According to the majority of the feedback forum, you can't.
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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:
There is nothing elitist about PoE2. It is, like you said, an easier game to get into. Which is exactly my point. It is not a difficult game.


Ironically, we are in agreement. It's not difficult or hard in anyway.

The problem is that it's very CHEAP.

Here's the thing, the Bosses DO telegraph blatantly, the problem is that each class has different response times. And right now the boss are too QUICK, the timing is too precise.

This game is NOT meant for PoE players, it's meant to attract the Newbs or us casuals (Yes, despite gaming heavily for since the 80s, I still consider myself a filthy casual) who love the dark storytelling and aesthetic that GGG provides.

For all my admitted negativity, I do like this game. I'm hoping it'll get better.

Oh and just one last thing that occurs to me, it might not be MEANT for a veteran Path of Exile player, does not mean you're not welcome by GGG. According to their interviews, they just want PoE2 to be able to appeal to more people.
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Also this narrative that many people seems to to put out that PoE 2 was always going to be a different game than PoE 1 and veterans should have done more research
Like how did this narrative even start?
Because excuse me
It's kind of a rewrite of reality xD
I had not even checked much up on PoE 2 untill recently
Last time I played a lot of PoE was 2019-2020
Was news to me that it was going to be a seperate game


The narrative started 4 months ago when GGG literally said it out of their mouths and it kept going that direction all the way up to the live stream even in Nov when they literally talked about it for 1.5 hours and said multiple times over and over and over again that its NOT the same game and it will feel completely dirrenent lol
I can't believe people are still characterizing people who disagree with them and provide asked for feedback as "whiny"

There's just a lot of factors that are combined to make the game both a skill check with bad telegraphing and a gear check with bad loot at the same time. If they picked either lane it would be fine-ish, but they picked both at once and at random, and that's not good.

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Also this narrative that many people seems to to put out that PoE 2 was always going to be a different game than PoE 1 and veterans should have done more research
Like how did this narrative even start?
Because excuse me
It's kind of a rewrite of reality xD
I had not even checked much up on PoE 2 untill recently
Last time I played a lot of PoE was 2019-2020
Was news to me that it was going to be a seperate game


The narrative started 4 months ago when GGG literally said it out of their mouths and it kept going that direction all the way up to the live stream even in Nov when they literally talked about it for 1.5 hours and said multiple times over and over and over again that its NOT the same game and it will feel completely dirrenent lol


Now let's be fair, for several years before that they had been saying the opposite, if you weren't paying attention for just the last bit you would have the opposite impression. It's perfectly reasonable to get the wrong idea.
Last edited by j33bus#3399 on Dec 10, 2024, 12:53:14 AM

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